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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Meeting No. 8

Thursday, June 8, 2006

The Standing Committee on Public Accounts met at 11:00 a.m. this day, in Room 209, West Block, the Chair, Shawn Murphy, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Hon. Navdeep Bains, David Christopherson, Brian Fitzpatrick, Mike Lake, Hon. Shawn Murphy, Richard Nadeau, Yasmin Ratansi, David Sweet, John Williams and Borys Wrzesnewskyj.

Acting Members present: Yvan Loubier for Benoît Sauvageau and Jeff Watson for Pierre Poilievre.

In attendance: Library of Parliament: Brian O'Neal, Analyst ; Alex Smith, Analyst.

Witnesses: Department of Public Works and Government Services: David Marshall, Deputy Minister; Tim McGrath, Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property Branch. Office of the Auditor General of Canada: Ronnie Campbell, Assistant Auditor General; Bruce Sloan, Principal. Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat: Jim Libbey, Executive Director, Financial Systems Acceptance Authority, Office of the Comptroller General; Blair James, Executive Director, Assets & Acquired Services Directorate, Government Operations Sector. As individuals: Margaret Bloodworth, Former Deputy Minister, Public Safety Emergency Preparedness Canada; Jim Judd, Former Secretary, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat. Department of Public Works and Government Services: Scott Leslie, Senior Director, Special Procurement Initiatives Directorate; Henry Sano, Director General, Client Services for Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness; John Shearer, Former Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Integration Branch. As an individual: John Wiersema, Former Comptroller General of Canada.

Participants present: Office of the Auditor General for Western Australia: Peter Wilkins, Executive Director, Performance Review Division.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the Committee commenced consideration of Chapter 7, Acquisition of Leased Office Space of the May 2006 Report of the Auditor General of Canada referred to the Committee on May 16, 2006.

Ronnie Campbell and David Marshall made statements and with the other witnesses answered questions.

Dr. Peter Wilkins, Executive Director, Office of the Auditor General, Western Australia was introduced to the Committee.

At 12:56 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:00 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the Committee resumed consideration of Chapter on Parliament's Control of Public Spending of the May 2006 Report of the Auditor General of Canada referred to the Committee on May 16, 2006.

The witnesses answered questions.

On motion of John Williams, it was agreed, — That John Wiersema appear as a witness now.

The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

The Chair presented the Third Report from the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure which read as follows:

The Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts has the honour to present its

THIRD REPORT

Your Subcommittee met on June 6, 2006, to consider the business of the Committee and agreed to make the following recommendations:

That before the summer adjournment:

- The Committee study the drafts of its reports on Chapters 5, 7 and 8 and on the Report on Government Decisions Limited Parliament's Control of Public Spending of the Auditor General's Report tabled May 16, 2006 and that the Committee invite the Deputy Minister of Indian Affairs to appear on Chapter 5 of the Auditor General's report.

That the Committee discontinue the experiment regarding informal meetings to be held with the Auditor General's office and the Department officials before the scheduled formal meeting.

That, a round table on the Committee's efficiency be held June 22nd, 2006.

On motion of Jeff Watson, it was agreed, — That the Third Report of the Subcommittee be concurred in.

At 2:01 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Danielle Bélisle
Clerk of the Committee

2006/06/09 3:16 p.m.