HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35^TH PARLIAMENT, 1^st SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 188

Wednesday, April 26, 1995

2:00 p.m.

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PRAYERS

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, -- Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 6th Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts: ``Program Evaluation (Auditor General Report 1993)'' (Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-64), presented to the House on Wednesday, November 30, 1994. -- Sessional Paper No. 8512-351-64.

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Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage) laid upon the Table, -- Proposed Order issuing directions to the CRTC respecting Direct-to-Home (DTH) satellite distribution undertakings, pursuant to section 8(1) of the Broadcasting Act, Chapter 11, Statutes of Canada, 1991. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-379A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

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Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage) laid upon the Table, -- Proposed Order issuing directions to the CRTC respecting Direct-to-Home (DTH) pay-per-view television programming undertakings, pursuant to section 8(1) of the Broadcasting Act, Chapter 11, Statutes of Canada, 1991. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-379B. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Government House Leader in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2207, 351-2208, 351-2216, 351-2217, 351-2222, 351-2230, 351-2258 to 351-2264, 351-2295 and 351-2313 concerning gun control. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-16L.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2346 concerning voice mail. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-95B.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2272 concerning genital mutilation. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-114.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Proud presented the 5th Report of the Canadian NATO Parliamentary Association concerning the meetings of the North Atlantic Assembly (NAA) Sub-committee on Defence and Security Co-operation between Europe and North America held in New York and Washington, D.C., from January 29 to February 3, 1995. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-351-50D.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), Bill C-84, An Act to provide for the review, registration, publication and parliamentary scrutiny of regulations and other documents and to make consequential and related amendments to other Acts, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled ``An Act to provide for the review, registration, publication and parliamentary scrutiny of regulations and other documents and to make consequential and related amendments to other Acts''.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead), Bill C-322, An Act respecting the office of the Auditor General for the family, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

First Reading of Senate Public Bills

Pursuant to Standing Order 69(2), on motion of Mrs. Stewart (Brant), seconded by Mr. Reed (Halton -- Peel), Bill S-7, An Act to accelerate the use of alternative fuels for motor vehicles, was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That a sub-committee of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans be authorized to travel to Vancouver, Prince Rupert, Nanaimo and Campbell River, from May 7 to 12, 1995, to discuss Pacific salmon issues.

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By unanimous consent, the Order for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-312, An Act to provide for the resumption of operations at ADM Agri-Industries Ltd, standing on the Order of Precedence on the Order Paper in the name of Mr. Discepola (Vaudreuil), was discharged and the Bill withdrawn.

Presenting petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Ms. Augustine (Etobicoke -- Lakeshore), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2901);

-- by Miss Grey (Beaver River), one concerning government spending (No. 351-2902), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 351-2903) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2904);

-- by Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2905);

-- by Mr. Finlay (Oxford), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2906);

-- by Ms. Meredith (Surrey -- White Rock -- South Langley), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-2907 and 351-2908) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2909);

-- by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), one concerning abortion (No. 351-2910), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2911) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2912);

-- by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), one concerning sentences in the Criminal Code (No. 351-2913);

-- by Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2914);

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning the imprisonment of Leonard Peltier in the United States (No. 351-2915);

-- by Mr. Jackson (Bruce -- Grey), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2916) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2917);

-- by Mrs. Terrana (Vancouver East), one concerning social policies (No. 351-2918), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2919) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2920);

-- by Mr. Morrison (Swift Current -- Maple Creek -- Assiniboia), one concerning the Canadian Wheat Board (No. 351-2921);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-2922);

-- by Mr. Penson (Peace River), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2923) and two concerning gun control (Nos. 351-2924 and 351-2925);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Middlesex), one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-2926);

-- by Ms. Skoke (Central Nova), six concerning gun control (Nos. 351-2927 to 351-2932);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2933), one concerning abortion (No. 351-2934) and one concerning gun control (No. 351-2935);

-- by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead), five concerning gun control (Nos. 351-2936 to 351-2940).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada), moved, -- That, in relation to Bill C-76, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 27, 1995, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of second reading stage of the Bill; and

That, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Business on the allotted day of the second reading consideration of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required, for the purpose of this Order and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the second reading stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

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(Division--Vote N^o 200)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la- -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Madeleine) -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robillard -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 138

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- Wayne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 90

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Dubé -- Gaffney -- Harper (Churchill) -- Langlois -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest)

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-76, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 27, 1995, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

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(Division--Vote N^o 201)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Sydneys) -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robillard -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 132

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- Wayne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 88

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Dubé -- Gaffney -- Harper (Churchill) -- Langlois -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:43 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Ménard (Hochelaga -- Maisonneuve), seconded by Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take the measures necessary for the legal recognition of same-sex spouses. (Private Members' Business M-264)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:43 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Young (Minister of Transport) -- Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1995 to 1999 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1995 of VIA Rail Canada Inc., pursuant to subsection 125(4) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter F-11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-351-803A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mrs. Maheu (Saint-Laurent -- Cartierville), one concerning taxes on books (No. 351-2941);

-- by Mrs. Stewart (Brant), one concerning the Official Opposition (No. 351-2942);

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-2943).

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:51 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).