PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, -- Report of the Commissioner of Official Languages for the year 1994, pursuant to section 66 of the Official Languages Act, Chapter 31 (4th supp.), Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-301A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages)

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Government House Leader in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1802 to 351-1804, 351-1813, 351-1814, 351-1945 to 351-1955, 351-1966, 351-1973, 351-1991, 351-1992, 351-1999, 351-2012, 351-2032, 351-2036, 351-2038 to 351-2040, 351-2130, 351-2131, 351-2145, 351-2146 and 351-2189 concerning gun control. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-16K.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1762 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-30FF.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1847 concerning Old Age Security benefits. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-31F.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), Bill C-83, An Act to amend the Auditor General Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled ``An Act to amend the Auditor General Act''.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-2886);

-- by Mr. Hill (Prince George -- Peace River), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2887), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2888), one concerning the definition of family (No. 351-2889), one concerning abortion (No. 351-2890), four concerning gun control (Nos. 351-2891 to 351-2894) and one concerning the Official Opposition (No. 351-2895);

-- by Mr. Althouse (Mackenzie), one concerning rural communities (No. 3512897);

-- by Mr. Bélair (Cochrane -- Superior), one concerning gun control (No. 351-2896);

-- by Mr. Hill (Macleod), one concerning (No. 351-2898);

-- by Mr. O'Reilly (Victoria -- Haliburton), one concerning sentences in the Criminal Code (No. 351-2899).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-136 on the Order Paper.

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order of the House for a Return:

Q-163 -- Mr. Penson (Peace River) -- With regard to the Prime Minister's recent trip to Latin America, (a) how many business people accompanied the Prime Minister, (b) what was the total amount of federal government assistance to business people on the trip, (c) which Canadian companies signed firm deals, (d) what was the total dollar amount for these deals, (e) what was the extent and source of federal government financing to make these deals possible, (f) which memorandums of understanding were signed, and (g) what promises were made of possible federal government financing or other assistance if these MOU's should result in firm sales?

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-351-163.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage and second reading of Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

Group No. 1 -- Motion No. 1.

Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 21, 24, 26, 27, 29, 32 and 33.

Group No. 3 -- Motion No. 19.

Group No. 4 -- Motions Nos. 22, 23, 25, 28, 29, 30 and 31.

Group No. 1

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 8 to 20, on page 2.

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 24 to 28, on page 2, with the following:

``5. (1) Every individual who, for payment, pursuant to a contract or other arrangement or as an employee, undertakes or as a part of the duties of employment is required to undertake, on behalf of any person or organization (in this section referred to as the ``client''), or on behalf of the individual's employer or the employer's client, to

(a) communicate with a public office holder or advise a client how to communicate with a public office holder''.

Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Mills (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended in the French version, by replacing lines 26 and 27, on page 2, with the following:

``toute personne (ci-après « lobbyiste-conseil ») qui, moyennant paiement,''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing line 12, on page 3, with following:

``office holder and any other person or advise another how to arrange such a meeting,''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended in the French version, by replacing line 14, on page 3, with the following:

``(2) Le lobbyiste est tenu, dans sa''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing line 23, on page 3, with following:

``individual is engaged in business or employed;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 23, on page 3, the following:

``(a.1)

(i) any employment or appointed or elected office the individual has held with the government of Canada or a province or with a municipality;

(ii) any employment or office the individual has held with a political party, political party caucus, a member of Parliament or of the legislative assembly of a province or a minister of the Crown in right of Canada or a province;

(iii) if the individual donated more than one thousand dollars in aggregate to political parties during the preceding year, the amount donated to each party;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 44, on page 3, the following:

``(e.1) where the individual is employed by an organization and the organization is funded in whole or in part by a government, the name of the government or government agency, as the case may be, and the amount of funding received by the organization from that government or government agency during the previous three years;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 9, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 44, on page 3, the following:

``(e.1) where the client is funded in whole or in part by a government, the name of the government or government agency, as the case may be, and the amount of funding received by the client from that government or government agency;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 19, on page 4, the following:

``(h.1) the name of every public office holder the individual has attempted to influence or expects to attempt to influence;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 12, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 27, on page 5, the following:

``(6.1) Where the individual is employed by a corporation or an organization and carries out activities mentioned in subsection (1) in the course of the employment, the employer must

(a) ensure that the individual complies with this section, or

(b) make the returns and provide the information that the individual is required to make by this section.''

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 13, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended in the French version, by replacing line 20, on page 5, with the following:

``(7) Le lobbyiste qui s'engage à''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 14, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by deleting lines 36 to 47 on page 5, 1 to 46 on page 6, 1 to 46 on page 7, 1 to 45 on page 8, 1 to 48 on page 9, 1 to 47 on page 10 and 1 to 47 on page 11.

Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Mills (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry), moved Motion No. 15, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended in the French version, by replacing lines 32 and 33, on page 5, with the following:

``phe (3) tout employé (ci-après « lobbyiste salarié ») d'une personne''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 16, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 16, on page 7, the following:

``(f.1) where the employer is funded in whole or in part by a government, the name of the government or government agency, as the case may be, and the amount of funding received by the employer from that government or government agency;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 17, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 46, on page 7, the following:

``(j.1) the name of every public office holder the employee has attempted to influence or expects to attempt to influence;''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 18, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 7, on page 11, the following:

``(j.1) the name of every public office holder any such employee has attempted to influence or expects to attempt to influence;''.

Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Mills (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry), moved Motion No. 21, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended in the French version, by replacing line 23, on page 13, with the following:

``ne sont pas des textes réglementaires au sens de la''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 24, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 32 and 33, on page 13, with the following:

``the activities described in subsection 5(1).''

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 26, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 5 to 11, on page 14, with the following:

``10.3(1) Every individual who is required to file a return under subsection 5(1) shall comply with the Code.''

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 27, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 35 to 41, on page 14, with the following:

``5(1), in respect of any matter referred to in any of subparagraphs 5(1)(a)(i) to (vi); and''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 32, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 44 to 48, on page 15 and line 1, on page 16, with the following:

``in respect of any matter referred to in any of subparagraphs 5(1)(a)(i) to (vi), if the Ethics''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 33, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 29, on page 16, with following:

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 4, 5, 6, 8, 12, 13, 14, 24, 26, 27, 32 and 33, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 21 and it was agreed to.

Group No. 3

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), moved Motion No. 19, -- That Bill C-43 be amended by adding after line 2, on page 13, the following new Clause:

``4.1. Section 8 is replaced by the following:

``8. The Governor in Council may designate any person as the registrar for the purposes of this Act.''''

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 3.

The question was put on Motion No. 19 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 4

Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), seconded by Mr. Lebel (Chambly), moved Motion No. 22, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 29, on page 13, with the following:

``10.1(1) There shall be an Ethics Counsellor who shall be appointed by commission under the Great Seal after approval of the appointment by resolution of the House of Commons.

(2) Subject to this section, the Ethics Counsellor holds office during good behaviour for a term of seven years, but may be removed by the Governor in Council at any time on address of the House of Commons.

(3) The Ethics Counsellor, on the expiration of a first or any subsequent term of office, is eligible to be re-appointed for a further term not exceeding seven years.''

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), moved Motion No. 23, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 29, on page 13, with the following:

``10.1. (1) The Governor in Council shall, by commission under the Great Seal, appoint the person who has been recommended by a resolution passed by the Senate and the House of Commons to be the Ethics Counsellor for the purposes of this Act, to hold office during good behaviour for a term of ten years, but the Ethics Counsellor may be removed by the Governor in Council on address of the Senate and House of Commons.

(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1) the Ethics Counsellor ceases to hold office on attaining the age of sixty-five years.''

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), moved Motion No. 25, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by adding after line 37, on page 13, the following:

``(2.1) The Ethics Counsellor shall cause a copy of the proposed Code to be laid before each House of Parliament and shall not apply any proposed Code that has not been first approved by both Houses of Parliament.''

Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), seconded by Mr. Lebel (Chambly), moved Motion No. 28, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 45 and 46, on page 14, with the following:

``(3) The investigation shall be conducted publicly.''

Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), seconded by Mr. Lebel (Chambly), moved Motion No. 29, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by deleting lines 13 to 30, on page 15.

Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved Motion No. 30, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended in the English version, by replacing line 23, on page 15, with the following:

``any findings or conclusions contained in a report under''.

Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), moved Motion No. 31, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 35 and 36, on page 15, with the following:

``lor's conclusions and shall cause a copy''.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 4.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

WAYS AND MEANS

Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) laid upon the Table, -- Notice of Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act and the Excise Act. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 27) -- Sessional Paper No. 8570- 351-27.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage and second reading of Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments.

Consideration resumed on the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 22, 23, 25, 28, 29, 30 and 31).

The debate continued.

The question was put on Motion No. 22 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 25 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 28 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motion No. 29, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 31 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76(8), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage and second reading of Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the deferred recorded divisions were further deferred until later today, at 5:30 p.m.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. Marleau (Minister of Health), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

NOTICES OF MOTIONS

Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) gave notice of the intention to move a motion at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 78(3), for the purpose of allotting a specified number of days or hours for the consideration and disposal of the second reading stage of Bill C-76, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 27, 1995.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. Marleau (Minister of Health), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Thursday, April 6, 1995, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-76, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 27, 1995, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

``Bill C-76, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 27, 1995, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence.''

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 191)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 94

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/CapBreton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/CapBreton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 143

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Training and Youth)), -- That Bill C-69, An Act to provide for the establishment of electoral boundaries commissions and the readjustment of electoral boundaries, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 192)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la- -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Madeleine) -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Sydneys) -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 144

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 94

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage and second reading of Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 8 to 20, on page 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 193)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 47

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fillion -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/CapBreton Highlands -- -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Canso) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/CapBreton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Sauvageau -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 191

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 24 to 28, on page 2, with the following:

``5. (1) Every individual who, for payment, pursuant to a contract or other arrangement or as an employee, undertakes or as a part of the duties of employment is required to undertake, on behalf of any person or organization (in this section referred to as the ``client''), or on behalf of the individual's employer or the employer's client, to

(a) communicate with a public office holder or advise a client how to communicate with a public office holder''.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 194)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Mercier -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 89

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/CapBreton Highlands -- -- Lee -- Loney -- MacDonald -- Canso) -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/CapBreton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 149

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 4, 5, 6, 8, 12, 13, 14, 24, 26, 27, 32 and 33 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 3 of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Mills (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended in the French version, by replacing lines 26 and 27, on page 2, with the following:

« toute personne (ci-après « lobbyiste-conseil ») qui, moyennant paiement, ».

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 195)

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Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Cummins -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Fillion -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 233

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Althouse -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- McLaughlin -- Robinson -- Taylor -- 5

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

Accordingly, Motion No. 15 was also agreed to on the same division.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 11 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 19, on page 4, the following:

``(h.1) the name of every public office holder the individual has attempted to influence or expects to attempt to influence;''.

The question was put on Motion No. 11 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 89, NAYS: 149. (See list under division No. 194)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 17 and 18 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 16 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 16, on page 7, the following:

``(f.1) where the employer is funded in whole or in part by a government, the name of the government or government agency, as the case may be, and the amount of funding received by the employer from that government or government agency;''.

The question was put on Motion No. 16 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 196)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Sydneys) -- Manning -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 186

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- 52

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 7 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 23, on page 3, the following:

``(a.1)

(i) any employment or appointed or elected office the individual has held with the government of Canada or a province or with a municipality;

(ii) any employment or office the individual has held with a political party, political party caucus, a member of Parliament or of the legislative assembly of a province or a minister of the Crown in right of Canada or a province;

(iii) if the individual donated more than one thousand dollars in aggregate to political parties during the preceding year, the amount donated to each party;''.

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 197)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 94

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la- -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Madeleine) -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/CapBreton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/CapBreton -- The ) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Sydneys -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 144

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 9 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 44, on page 3, the following:

``(e.1) where the client is funded in whole or in part by a government, the name of the government or government agency, as the case may be, and the amount of funding received by the client from that government or government agency;''.

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 186, NAYS: 52. (See list under division No. 196)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 19 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Lisgar -- Marquette), -- That Bill C- 43 be amended by adding after line 2, on page 13, the following new Clause:

``4.1. Section 8 is replaced by the following:

``8. The Governor in Council may designate any person as the registrar for the purposes of this Act.''''

The question was put on Motion No. 19 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 47, NAYS: 191. (See list under division No. 193)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 22 of Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), seconded by Mr. Lebel (Chambly), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 29, on page 13, with the following:

``10.1(1) There shall be an Ethics Counsellor who shall be appointed by commission under the Great Seal after approval of the appointment by resolution of the House of Commons.

(2) Subject to this section, the Ethics Counsellor holds office during good behaviour for a term of seven years, but may be removed by the Governor in Council at any time on address of the House of Commons.

(3) The Ethics Counsellor, on the expiration of a first or any subsequent term of office, is eligible to be re-appointed for a further term not exceeding seven years.''

The question was put on Motion No. 22 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 198)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- 52

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/CapBreton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/CapBreton -- The -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Sydneys) -- Manning -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Paradis -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 186

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 23 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 29, on page 13, with the following:

``10.1. (1) The Governor in Council shall, by commission under the Great Seal, appoint the person who has been recommended by a resolution passed by the Senate and the House of Commons to be the Ethics Counsellor for the purposes of this Act, to hold office during good behaviour for a term of ten years, but the Ethics Counsellor may be removed by the Governor in Council on address of the Senate and House of Commons.

(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1) the Ethics Counsellor ceases to hold office on attaining the age of sixty-five years.''

The question was put on Motion No. 23 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 94, NAYS: 144. (See list under Division No. 197)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 25 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), moved Motion No. 25, -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by adding after line 37, on page 13, the following:

``(2.1) The Ethics Counsellor shall cause a copy of the proposed Code to be laid before each House of Parliament and shall not apply any proposed Code that has not been first approved by both Houses of Parliament.''

The question was put on Motion No. 25 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 94, NAYS: 144. (See list under Division No. 197)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 28 of Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), seconded by Mr. Lebel (Chambly), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 45 and 46, on page 14, with the following:

``(3) The investigation shall be conducted publicly.''

The question was put on Motion No. 28 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 94, NAYS: 144. (See list under Division No. 197)

Accordingly, Motion No. 29 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 30 of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended in the English version, by replacing line 23, on page 15, with the following:

``any findings or conclusions contained in a report under''.

The question was put on Motion No. 30 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 233, NAYS: 5 . (See list under Division No. 195)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 31 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), -- That Bill C-43, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 35 and 36, on page 15, with the following:

``lor's conclusions and shall cause a copy''.

The question was put on Motion No. 31 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 47, NAYS: 191. (See list under Division No. 193)

Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, -- That Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make related amendments to other Acts, as amended, be concurred in at report stage, with further amendments, and read a second time.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 144, NAYS: 94. (See list under Division No. 192)

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage, with further amendments, and read the second time and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Pursuant to Order made Monday, April 25, 1995, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), -- That Bill C-263, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act and other Acts in consequence thereof (exempted Crown corporations), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 199)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Mercier -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 88

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Bachand -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Gaffney -- Gallaway -- Grose -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- Parrish

At 6:37 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs of Bill C-254, An Act to amend the Interpretation Act (Convention on the Rights of the Child).

Mr. Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing), seconded by Mr. Althouse (Mackenzie), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:27 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), concerning the parole system (No. 351-2900).

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:34 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).