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Minutes of Proceedings

42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting No. 126
Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 8:51 a.m. to 12:11 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Hon. Wayne Easter, Chair (Liberal)

• Pat Kelly for Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative)
• Jamie Schmale for Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative)
House of Commons
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Andrew Barton, Analyst
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

Motion

Pierre-Luc Dusseault moved, — That, given ongoing media revelations that could implicate some Canadians in aggressive tax avoidance or tax evasion, the Committee invite Stephen Bronfman, Revenue Chair for the Liberal Party of Canada; and Leo Kolber, former Senator and former chief fundraiser for the Liberal Party of Canada, to appear before the Standing Committee on Finance before November 30, 2017, to answer questions relating to their offshore assets in jurisdictions that are considered to be tax havens.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Tom Kmiec, Pierre Poilievre — 4;

NAYS: Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

It was agreed, — That a proposed budget in the amount of $ 15,500.00, for the study of Bill C-63, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 22, 2017 and other measures, be adopted.

Department of Finance
• Gervais Coulombe, Chief, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Nicole Giles, Director General, International Finance and Development Division, International Trade and Finance Branc
• James R. Greene, Senior Advisor, Tax Policy Branch
• Pierre Leblanc, Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Trevor McGowan, Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Pierre Mercille, Senior Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Anchela Nadarajah, Economist, Multilateral Institutions, International Finance and Development Division, International Trade and Finance Branch
• Neil Saravanamuttoo, Chief, Multilateral Institutions, International Finance and Development Division, International Trade and Finance Branch
• Jeffrey Smith, Senior Economist, International Monetary and Financial Policy, International Trade and Finance Branch
Department of Industry
• Stephen Fertuck, Director, External and Trade Policy Branch
• Melanie Hill, Special Advisor, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Réal Gagnon, Senior Policy Analyst, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Labour Program
Department of Employment and Social Development - Labour Program
• Margaret M. Hill, Senior Director, Labour Program
Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Wednesday, November 8, 2017, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-63, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 22, 2017 and other measures.

The Committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Joyce Henry, Stephen Fertuck, Pierre Mercille, Gervais Coulombe, Nicole Giles, Neil Saravanamuttoo, Margaret M. Hill and Réal Gagnon answered questions.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1, Short Title, was postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 2 to 18 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 19,

Pursuant to the order adopted by the Committee on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the Committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-63, in Clause 19, be amended

(a) by replacing line 28 on page 28 with the following:

“lier of December 31, 2017 and the day that is 24”

(b) by replacing line 33 on page 28 with the following:

“on December 31, 2017) described in paragraph (a) or”

(c) by replacing line 7 on page 29 with the following:

“the phrase “the earlier of December 31, 2017 and”.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 8.

Clause 19 carried on division.

On Clause 20,

Pursuant to the order adopted by the Committee on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the Committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-63, in Clause 20, be amended

(a) by replacing line 22 on page 29 with the following:

“(II) before 2018 (excluding an expense that is”

(b) by replacing line 24 on page 29 with the following:

“incurred on December 31, 2017), in any other”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 8.

Clause 20 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 21 to 169 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 170,

Pierre-Luc Dusseault moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 170, be amended by adding after line 25 on page 233 the following:

“8.71 The Minister shall invite representatives of all the provinces to consult and work together to develop, through mutual consent, a set of shared principles and objectives with the ultimate goal of concluding coordinated cannabis taxation agreements that meet public health and policing requirements and address the financial needs of the provinces with respect to cannabis legalization.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Pierre-Luc Dusseault and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Tom Kmiec, Pierre Poilievre — 4;

NAYS: Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Clause 170 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 171 to 175 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 176,

Tom Kmiec moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 176, be amended by deleting lines 1 to 5 on page 239.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Tom Kmiec and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Tom Kmiec, Pierre Poilievre — 4;

NAYS: Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Tom Kmiec moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 176, be amended by replacing lines 4 and 5 on page 239 with the following:

“amount not more than CAD$256,000,000 over a period of five years.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Tom Kmiec and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Tom Kmiec, Pierre Poilievre — 4;

NAYS: Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Pierre-Luc Dusseault moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 176, be amended by adding after line 5 on page 239 the following:

“8 The Minister of Finance must, at the end of each fiscal year, prepare a report setting out the payments which were made to the Bank out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund during the previous fiscal year as well as the purpose of each payment and must cause the report to be laid before each House of Parliament on any of the first 15 days on which that House is sitting after the report is made.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Pierre-Luc Dusseault and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Pat Kelly, Tom Kmiec — 4;

NAYS: Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Clause 176 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 177 to 196 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 197,

Pierre-Luc Dusseault moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 197, be amended

(a) by replacing line 5 on page 252 with the following:

“change or addition at least seven days before”

(b) by deleting lines 21 and 22 on page 252;

(c) by deleting lines 19 and 20 on page 254.

At 10:40 a.m., by unanimous consent and pursuant to Standing Order 115(5), it was agreed that the Committee continue to sit.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Pierre-Luc Dusseault and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Pierre-Luc Dusseault — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Pat Kelly, Tom Kmiec, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 8.

Clause 197 carried on division.

Clause 198 carried on division.

On Clause 199,

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 199, be amended by replacing line 19 on page 256 with the following:

“than 90 days after receiving the request, give written no-”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Tom Kmiec, Pierre Poilievre — 3;

NAYS: Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 6.

Clause 199 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 200 to 205 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 206,

Pierre-Luc Dusseault moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 206, be amended

(a) by replacing line 20 on page 260 with the following:

“sence with pay from employment of up to five days in every cal-”

(b) by replacing line 10 on page 261 with the following:

“lence is entitled to and shall be granted a leave of absence with pay”

(c) by deleting lines 26 to 30 on page 261;

(d) by replacing line 9 on page 262 with the following:

“shall be granted a leave of absence with pay from employment of”

(e) by adding after line 16 on page 262 the following:

“(1.1) The Governor in Council may, by regulation, on recommendation of the Minister following consultations with Aboriginal governments and organizations, add traditional Aboriginal practices to the list set out in subsection (1) in order to ensure the proper recognition and respect of the rights of Aboriginal people.”

At 10:59 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:38 a.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Pierre-Luc Dusseault and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Pierre-Luc Dusseault, Tom Kmiec, Jamie Schmale — 4;

NAYS: Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Pierre-Luc Dusseault moved, — That Bill C-63, in Clause 206, be amended

(a) by replacing lines 28 and 29 on page 260 with the following:

“riods.”

(b) by replacing lines 32 and 33 on page 261 with the following:

“riods.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Pierre-Luc Dusseault and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Pierre-Luc Dusseault — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Greg Fergus, Raj Grewal, Tom Kmiec, Michael V. McLeod, Jennifer O'Connell, Pierre Poilievre, Francesco Sorbara — 8.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the Committee on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the Committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-63, in Clause 206, be amended

(a) by replacing line 10 on page 261 with the following:

“lence is entitled to and shall be granted a leave of absence with pay”

(b) by deleting lines 26 to 30 on page 261.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 5.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the Committee on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the Committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-63, in Clause 206, be amended by replacing lines 32 and 33 on page 261 with the following:

“riods. Each period of leave may be of less than one day’s duration.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 7.

Clause 206 carried on division.

Clause 207 carried on division.

Clause 208 carried on division.

Clause 209 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 210 to 261 inclusive carried on division severally.

Clause 1, Short Title, carried on division.

The Schedule carried on division.

The Title carried on division.

The Bill carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 4.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill to the House.

At 12:11 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Suzie Cadieux
Clerk of the Committee