HEAL Committee Meeting
Notices of Meeting include information about the subject matter to be examined by the committee and date, time and place of the meeting, as well as a list of any witnesses scheduled to appear. The Evidence is the edited and revised transcript of what is said before a committee. The Minutes of Proceedings are the official record of the business conducted by the committee at a sitting.
For an advanced search, use Publication Search tool.
If you have any questions or comments regarding the accessibility of this publication, please contact us at accessible@parl.gc.ca.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS
Meeting No. 13
Tuesday, February 8, 2000
The Standing Committee on Health met at 11:10 a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Building, the Chair, Lynn Myers, presiding.
Members of the Committee present: Yvon Charbonneau, Gurmant Grewal, Ovid Jackson, Bill Matthews, Réal Ménard, Lynn Myers, Karen Redman, Paul Szabo, Judy Wasylycia-Leis.
Acting Members present: Marcel Proulx for Bernard Patry, Richard Marceau for Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Bernier for Christiane Gagnon.
In attendance: From the Library of Parliament: Odette Madore and Nancy Miller Chenier, Research Officers.
Witnesses: From the Canadian Institutes of Health Research: Pierre Richard, Executive Director, CIHR Transition Secretariat; David Hoye, Director of Policy and Goverment Relations, CIHR Transition Secretariat. From the Medical Research Council of Canada: Karen Mosher, Executive Director. From Justice Canada: Glenn Rivard, General Counsel.
By unanimous consent, the Chair presented the Second Report of the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure to the Committee, which reads as follows:
SECOND REPORT OF THE SUB-COMMITTEE ON AGENDA AND PROCEDURE
It was agreed, -- That the Committee meet on Tuesdays from 3:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m., and that it continue to meet on Wednesdays from 3:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. and on Thursdays from 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m..
It was agreed, -- That the Minister of Health be invited to appear on the Estimates and Performance Report immediately following the completion of the committee’s study of Bill C-13.
Judy Wasylycia-Leis moved, -- That the Auditor General be invited to appear on the Auditor General’s Reports immediately following the completion of the committee’s study of Bill C-13.
After debate, the motion was stood.
It was agreed, -- That the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure schedule its next meeting once Bill C-13 has been referred back to the House.
It was agreed, -- That the budget of the Committee for witness expenses in the amount of $22,500 for the fiscal year 1999-2000 be approved.
It was agreed, -- That the Chair present the Second Report of the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure to the main committee.
At 10.55 a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
It was agreed -- That the Second Report of the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure be concurred in.
Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, November 29, 1999, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-13, An Act to establish the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, to repeal the Medical Research Council Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (See Minutes of Proceedings, Thursday, December 2, 1999 , Meeting No. 8).
The Committee resumed clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.
The Chair called Clause 7 and debate arose thereon.
The witnesses answered questions.
On Clause 7,
Gurmant Grewal moved, -- That Bill C-13, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 43 on page 6 with the following:
"more than three consecutive terms."
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived by a show of hands.
Judy Wasylycia-Leis moved, -- That Bill C-13, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 2 on page 7 with the following:
"as members of the Governing Council an equal number of women"
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Gurmant Grewal
Richard Marceau
Réal Ménard
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (4)
NAYS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Marcel Proulx
Karen Redman
Paul Szabo – (5)
Judy Wasylycia-Leis moved, -- That Bill C-13, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 6 on page 7 with the following:
"nor in Council shall appoint"
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Richard Marceau
Réal Ménard
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (3)
NAYS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Gurmant Grewal
Ovid Jackson
Marcel Proulx
Karen Redman
Paul Szabo – (6)
Judy Wasylycia-Leis moved, -- That Bill C-13, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 10 on page 7 the following:
"(5) The members shall not, directly or indirectly, as owner, shareholder, director, officer, partner or otherwise, have any pecuniary or proprietary interest in any business which operates in the pharmaceutical or medical devices industries."
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Gurmant Grewal
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (2)
NAYS:
Yvon Bernier
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Réal Ménard
Marcel Proulx
Karen Redman
Paul Szabo – (8)
Gurmant Grewal moved, -- That Bill C-13 be amended by adding after line 10 on page 7 the following new clause:
"7.1 All Governor in Council appointments shall be ratified, by a two-thirds majority vote of members present, by the Standing Committee of the House of Commons that normally considers health matters."
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Gurmant Grewal
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Réal Ménard
Marcel Proulx
Karen Redman
Paul Szabo
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (9)
NAYS: -- (0)
ABSTAINED:
Yvon Bernier – (1)
After further debate, the question being put on Clause 7, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Gurmant Grewal
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Marcel Proulx
Karen Redman
Paul Szabo -- (7)
NAYS:
Yvon Bernier
Réal Ménard
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (3)
The Chair called Clause 8 and debate arose thereon.
After debate, Clause 8 carried unanimously on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Bernier
Yvon Charbonneau
Gurmant Grewal
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Réal Ménard
Marcel Proulx
Karen Redman
Paul Szabo
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (10)
NAYS: -- (0)
On Clause 9,
Gurmant Grewal moved, -- That Bill C-13, in Clause 9, be amended by adding after line 24 on page 7 the following:
"(4) Following the initial five-year term of the President, the members of the Governing Council shall elect, among themselves, the Chairperson of the Governing Council."
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
After debate, Clause 9 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Gurmant Grewal
Réal Ménard – (2)
NAYS:
Yvon Bernier
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Marcel Proulx
Paul Szabo
Judy Wasylycia-Leis -- (7)
After further debate, Clause 9 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Marcel Proulx
Paul Szabo
Judy Wasylycia-Leis -- (6)
NAYS:
Yvon Bernier
Gurmant Grewal
Réal Ménard – (3)
The Chair called Clause 10 and debate arose thereon.
RULING BY THE CHAIR
I rule that an affirmative vote on G-5 will obviate the necessity of the question being put on NDP-6.
The debate continued.
On Clause 10,
Yvon Charbonneau moved, -- That Bill C-13, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing lines 29 to 31 on page 7 with the following:
" (b) shall establish by by-law one or more standing committees to advise the Governing Council with respect to the full range of health research, and in particular for the purposes of paragraphs 4(d) and (e)."
Judy Wasylycia-Leis moved the following sub-amendment, -- That all the words after the words "full range of health research" be deleted.
After debate, the sub-amendment was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Réal Ménard
Paul Szabo
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (3)
NAYS:
Yvon Bernier
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Marcel Proulx -- (5)
After further debate, the amendment was carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Bernier
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Réal Ménard
Marcel Proulx
Paul Szabo – (7)
NAYS:
Judy Wasylycia-Leis -- (1)
Judy Wasylycia-Leis moved, -- That Bill C-13, be amended by adding after line 40 on page 7 the following new clause:
" 10.1 The Governing Council shall establish by by-law an office of clinical excellence within the CIHR, with a mandate to make recommendations on protocols that specifically address health outcomes."
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Bernier
Réal Ménard
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (3)
NAYS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Marcel Proulx
Paul Szabo -- (5)
After further debate, Clause 10 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Yvon Bernier
Réal Ménard
Judy Wasylycia-Leis – (3)
NAYS:
Yvon Charbonneau
Ovid Jackson
Bill Matthews
Marcel Proulx
Paul Szabo -- (5)
Clause 11 carried unanimously.
At 1:05 o’clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
Roxanne Enman
Clerk of the Committee