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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 111
Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 10:02 a.m. to 12:44 p.m.
John Williamson, Chair (Conservative)

Library of Parliament
• Mahdi Benmoussa, Analyst
• Dillan Theckedath, Analyst
Office of the Auditor General
• Lucie Després, Director
• Sami Hannoush, Principal
• Andrew Hayes, Deputy Auditor General
Canada Border Services Agency
• Jonathan Moor, Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch
• Darryl Vleeming, Vice-President and Chief Information Officer
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee resumed consideration of the Report 1, ArriveCAN, referred to the committee on Monday, February 12, 2024.

Andrew Hayes and Jonathan Moor made statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.


Brenda Shanahan moved, — That, when the committee undertakes to invite witnesses that:

a) a witness list submission deadline be set by the chair, with the explicit consent of the committee;

b) witnesses be invited proportionally to each recognized party’s standing in the House; and

c) no such witness be invited without instruction of the committee.



The Chair ruled the motion inadmissible as a 48-hour notice was not provided and the motion did not relate directly to the business at hand.

Whereupon, Tony Van Bynen appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Larry Brock, John Nater, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Arnold Viersen — 4;

NAYS: Valerie Bradford, Blake Desjarlais, Iqra Khalid, Brenda Shanahan, Tony Van Bynen, Jean Yip — 6.

At 11:23, the sitting was suspended.

At 11:29, the sitting resumed in public.

Debated continued on the motion of Brenda Shanahan.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Blake Desjarlais, Iqra Khalid, Brenda Shanahan, Tony Van Bynen, Jean Yip — 6;

NAYS: Larry Brock, John Nater, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Arnold Viersen — 4.

The questioning of the witnesses resumed.

It was agreed, — It was agreed that the deadline to submit suggested witnesses for the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN, of the 2024 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada be noon, on Wednesday, April 10.

At 12:44 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Hilary Smyth
Clerk of the committee