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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 6
Monday, November 2, 2020, 11:00 a.m. to 2:11 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
David Sweet, Chair (Conservative)

House of Commons
• Erica Pereira, Procedural Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Alexandra Savoie, Analyst
• Ryan van den Berg, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h):

(a) the committee examine the measures in place to avoid and prevent conflicts of interest in the federal government policies with regard to contracts and grants or contributions and other expenses;

(b) that in carrying out this study, the committee study mainly, but not limited to, contracts with regards to speeches of Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau within the framework of activities organized by Speakers’ Spotlight since October 14, 2008;

(c) that the committee invite Speakers’ Spotlight representatives to testify about all files related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire-Trudeau;

(d) that an order be issued to Speakers’ Spotlight to obtain a copy of all records related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau—including, for each speech, the amounts paid, any expenses reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity that organized it;

(e) that the documents listed in paragraph (d) be delivered to the clerk of the committee within seven days of the adoption of this motion and that their consideration be in camera;

(f) that, for the consideration of documents studied during closed meetings: i. only committee members be allowed to participate; ii. no mobile or electronic device be allowed in the room during these meetings; iii. numbered hard copies of documents be given to committee members by the clerk at the beginning of each meeting scheduled for that purpose and that these copies be given to the clerk at the end of each meeting; iv. copies of documents be kept in the clerk’s office and that outside of meetings committee members can only view them by going to the clerk’s office, and no mobile or electronic device be in the room during the consultation of document.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of the proposed motion.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the motion admissible as the means and process were sufficiently different from the previous motion moved by Michael Barrett on Thursday, October 8, 2020.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Chris Warkentin — 4;

NAYS: Han Dong, Greg Fergus, Patricia Lattanzio, Brenda Shanahan, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

At 11:19 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:24 a.m., the sitting resumed.

Motion

Charlie Angus moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h), this committee undertake a study into issues of conflict of interest and the Lobbying Act in relation to pandemic spending;

that this study continue our work relating to the Canada Student Service Grant, including this committee’s work to review the safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest in federal government expenditures; government spending, WE Charity and the Canada Student Service Grant; and the administration of the Canada Student Service Grant and WE Charity; and

that this study include:

(a) an examination into MCAP and Rob Silver’s involvement with the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy and the Canada Emergency Commercial Rent Assistance program;

(b) the consideration of all aspects of the government’s involvement with Baylis Medical Company Inc., as well as former Liberal Member of Parliament Frank Baylis, including the awarding of a procurement contract for medical devices;

(c) an examination into Palantir Canada’s relationship with the government including the breach of the Conflict of Interest Act by its president and former Canadian ambassador to the U.S. David MacNaughton;

(d) an examination of the use of partisan resources and processes in the appointment of federal judges that may have constituted violations of the privacy rights of nominees;

(e) and that the committee report its findings to the House with recommendations to better permit the government to conduct the business of government with public confidence in its integrity.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Greg Fergus moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words:

(a) an examination into MCAP and Rob Silver’s involvement with the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy and the Canada Emergency Commercial Rent Assistance program; and

(d) an examination of the use of partisan resources and processes in the appointment of federal judges that may have constituted violations of the privacy rights of nominees; and.

The question was put on the amendment of Greg Fergus and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Charlie Angus, Han Dong, Greg Fergus, Patricia Lattanzio, Brenda Shanahan, Francesco Sorbara — 6;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Chris Warkentin — 4.

Amendment

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “and former Canadian ambassador to the U.S. David MacNaughton” the following:

“(c) the committee study mainly, contracts with regards to speeches of Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau within the framework of activities organized by Speakers’ Spotlight since October 14, 2008;

(d) that the committee invite Speakers’ Spotlight representatives to testify about all files related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire-Trudeau;

(e) that an order be issued to Speakers’ Spotlight to obtain a copy of all records related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau—including, for each speech, the amounts paid, any expenses reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity that organized it;

(f) that the documents listed in section (e) be delivered to the clerk of the committee within seven days of the adoption of this motion and that their consideration be in camera;

(g) that, for the consideration of documents studied during closed meetings: i. only committee members be allowed to participate; ii. no mobile or electronic device be allowed in the room during these meetings; iii. numbered hard copies of documents be given to committee members by the clerk at the beginning of each meeting scheduled for that purpose and that these copies be given to the clerk at the end of each meeting; iv. copies of documents be kept in the clerk’s office and that outside of meetings committee members can only view them by going to the clerk’s office, and no mobile or electronic device be in the room during the consultation of documents”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:42 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:44 a.m., the sitting resumed.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the amendment admissible as there was sufficient variance from the previous motion in both its means and scope.

Whereupon, Patricia Lattanzio appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put by recorded division and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Charlie Angus, Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Chris Warkentin — 5;

NAYS: Han Dong, Greg Fergus, Patricia Lattanzio, Brenda Shanahan, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Accordingly, the Chair's decision was sustained as the question was not negatived.

At 11:49 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:55 a.m., the sitting resumed.

At 12:05 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 115(5), it was agreed that the committee continue to sit.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment moved by Marie-Hélène Gaudreau.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Charlie Angus, Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Chris Warkentin — 5;

NAYS: Han Dong, Greg Fergus, Patricia Lattanzio, Brenda Shanahan, Francesco Sorbara — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the amendment was agreed to.

At 12:09 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:35 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, moved by Charlie Angus, which read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h), this committee undertake a study into issues of conflict of interest and the Lobbying Act in relation to pandemic spending;

that this study continue our work relating to the Canada Student Service Grant, including this committee’s work to review the safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest in federal government expenditures; government spending, WE Charity and the Canada Student Service Grant; and the administration of the Canada Student Service Grant and WE Charity;

and that this study include:

(a) the consideration of all aspects of the government’s involvement with Baylis Medical Company Inc., as well as former Liberal Member of Parliament Frank Baylis, including the awarding of a procurement contract for medical devices;

(b) an examination into Palantir Canada’s relationship with the government including the breach of the Conflict of Interest Act by its president and former Canadian ambassador to the U.S. David MacNaughton;

(c) the committee study mainly, contracts with regards to speeches of Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau within the framework of activities organized by Speakers’ Spotlight since October 14, 2008;

(d) that the committee invite Speakers’ Spotlight representatives to testify about all files related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire-Trudeau;

(e) that an order be issued to Speakers’ Spotlight to obtain a copy of all records related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau—including, for each speech, the amounts paid, any expenses reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity that organized it;

(f) that the documents listed in section (e) be delivered to the clerk of the committee within seven days of the adoption of this motion and that their consideration be in camera;

(g) that for the consideration of documents studied during in camera meetings:

  • i. only committee members be allowed to participate;
  • ii. no mobile or electronic device be allowed in the room during these meetings;
  • iii. numbered hard copies of documents be given to committee members by the clerk at the beginning of each meeting scheduled for that purpose and that these copies be given to the clerk at the end of each meeting;
  • iv. copies of documents be kept in the clerk’s office and that outside of meetings committee members can only view them by going to the clerk’s office, and no mobile or electronic device be in the room during the consultation of documents; and

that the committee report its findings to the House with recommendations to better permit the government to conduct the business of government with public confidence in its integrity.

Amendment

Greg Fergus moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “and no mobile or electronic devices be in the room during the consultation of documents'” the following: “(h) the committee study the use or possible use of facial recognition technology by various levels of government in Canada, law enforcement agencies, private corporations and individuals;

that the committee investigate how this technology will impact the privacy, security and safety of children, seniors and vulnerable populations;

that the committee examine the impact of facial recognition technology on racialized communities; and that the study include how this technology may be used nefariously, such as a tool for criminal harassment or for other unlawful surveillance purposes;

that the committee investigate any possible link, formal or informal, between Canadian law-enforcement agencies and private technology corporations or start-ups;

that the committee examine the impacts of facial recognition technology and the growing power of artificial intelligence”.

At 1:49 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:53 p.m., the sitting resumed.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the amendment out of order as it is beyond the scope of the motion.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, by Charlie Angus.

Debate arose thereon.

On motion of Michael Barrett, it was agreed, — That the committee do now adjourn.

At 2:11 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Miriam Burke
Clerk of the Committee