AANR Committee Meeting

Meeting No. 4

Thursday, March 15, 2001

The Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources met at 11:10 a.m. this day, in Room 308, West Block, the Chair, Nancy Karetak-Lindell, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Larry Bagnell, Gérard Binet, Serge Cardin, Jean-Guy Carignan, David Chatters, Rodger Cuzner, John Finlay, John Godfrey, Nancy Karetak-Lindell, Gerald Keddy, Benoît Serré, Guy St-Julien, Maurice Vellacott.

Acting Members present: Charles Hubbard for John Godfrey; Shawn Murphy for Larry Bagnell.

In attendance: From the Library of Parliament: Jean-Luc Bourdages; and Monique Hébert, Research Oficers. From the Legislative Unit, Committees Branch: Susan Baldwin and Phillipe Méla, Legislative Clerks.

Witnesses: From Natural Resources Canada: Graham Campbell, Director, Office of Energy R&D; Anne-Marie Fortin, Legal Counsel.

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Tuesday, February 20, 2001, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-4, An Act to establish a foundation to fund sustainable development technology (See Minutes of Proceedings, Tuesday, March 13, 2001, Meeting No. 3).

The Committee proceeded to Clause-by-Clause consideration of the Bill.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 was postponed.

On Clause 2,

Serge Cardin proposed to move the following three amendments:

-- That Bill C-4, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 21 on page 1 with the following:

"sues, but excluding those using nuclear technologies."

-- That Bill C-4, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 19 to 21 on page 1 with the following:

"able development by reducing greenhouse gases and to stimulate international sales, but excluding those using nuclear technologies."

-- That Bill C-4, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 19 to 21 on page 1 with the following:

"able development by reducing greenhouse gases and to stimulate international sales."

Ruling by the Chair: "The amendments are out of order as they are substantial amendments to the interpretation clause."

Clause 2 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS;

Larry Bagnell

Gérard Binet

Jean-Guy Carignan

Rodger Cuzner

John Finlay

Charles Hubbard

Benoit Serré

Guy St-Julien (-8)

NAYS;

Dave Chatters

Serge Cardin

Gerald Keddy (-3)

Clause 3 carried.

Clause 4 carried.

On Clause 5,

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing line 2 on page 3 with the following:

"tion are to provide a portion of the funding to a maximum of fifty percent to eligible recipi-"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

Clause 5 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS;

Larry Bagnell

Gérard Binet

Jean-Guy Carignan

Rodger Cuzner

John Finlay

Charles Hubbard

Benoit Serré

Guy St-Julien (-8)

NAYS;

Dave Chatters

Serge Cardin

Gerald Keddy (-3)

Clauses 6 to 9 carried severally.

On Clause 10,

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing lines 34 and 35 on page 6 with the following:

"for one term not exceeding five years."

After debate, by unanimous consent, the motion was withdrawn.

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing line 40 on page 6 with the following:

"the unexpired portion of that term and may only be appointed for one more term."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS;

Serge Cardin

Dave Chatters

Gerald Keddy

Maurice Vellacott (-4)

NAYS;

Rodger Cuzner

John Finlay

Charles Hubbard

Shawn Murphy

Benoit Serré

Guy St-Julien (-6)

Clause 10 carried.

On Clause 11,

Benoit Serré moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 11, be amended by replacing, in the English version, line 23 on page 7 with the following:

(iii) not-for-profit organizations;

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 11, as amended, carried.

Clauses 12 to 14 carried severally.

On Clause 15,

Benoit Serré moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 15, be amended by replacing, in the English version, line 13 on page 10 with the following:

(iii) not-for-profit organizations;

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 15, as amended, carried.

Clauses 16 to 18 carried severally.

On Clause 19,

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 19, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 25 on page 11 with the following:

19. (1) Subject to subsection (1.1), the Foundation may, from its funds, provide funding to eligible recipients to be used by them solely for the purposes of eligible projects in accordance with any terms and conditions specified by the Foundation in respect of the funding, including terms and conditions as to repayment of the funding, when applicable, intellectual property rights and the maximum amount and proportion of funding for eligible projects to be provided by the Foundation.

(1.1) Funding provided by the Foundation under subsection (1) shall not be greater than fifty percent of the total amount of funding available for each eligible project."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 19, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 25 on page 11 with the following:

19. (1) Subject to subsection (1.1), the Foundation may, from its funds, provide funding to eligible recipients to be used by them solely for the purposes of eligible projects in accordance with any terms and conditions specified by the Foundation in respect of the funding, including terms and conditions as to repayment of the funding, intellectual property rights and the maximum amount and proportion of funding for eligible projects to be provided by the Foundation.

(1.1) Funding provided by the Foundation under subsection (1) shall not be greater than fifty percent of the total amount of funding available for each eligible project."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS;

Serge Cardin

Gerald Keddy (-2)

NAYS;

Gérard Binet

Jean-Guy Carginan

Rodger Cuzner

John Finlay

Shawn Murphy

Benoit Serré

Guy St-Julien (-7)

Clause 19 carried on division.

Clauses 20 to 25 carried severally.

On Clause 26,

Benoit Serré moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 26, be amended by replacing lines 30 and 31 on page 14 with the following:

Auditor

26. (1) At the annual meeting in each fiscal year, the members shall appoint an auditor for

And debate arising thereon

Benoit Serré moved, - That the amendment be amended by deleting the words "At the annual meeting in each fiscal year," and inserting the words "At the first meeting of the members, and in any subsequent fiscal year at the annual meeting."

The amendment to the amendment was agreed to.

After debate, the question being put on the amendment as amended, it was agreed to.

Clause 26, as amended, carried.

Clause 27 carried.

After debate, Clause 28 carried.

On Clause 29,

Benoit Serré moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 29, be amended by

(a) by replacing line 12 on page 16 with the following:

(a) examining the audited financial state-

(b) by replacing line 15 on page 16 with the following:

(b) examining the annual report of the

(c) by replacing lines 17 to 19 on page 16 with the following:

(c) examining the operating budget and the capital

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to on division.

Benoit Serré moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 29, be amended by replacing lines 25 and 26 on page 16 with the following:

made by the board,

(e) appointing an auditor under subsection 26(1); and

(f) considering any other matter respecting

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to on division.

Clause 29, as amended, carried.

On Clause 30,

Serge Cardin moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 30, be amended by replacing line 42 on page 16 with the following:

"activities and information on the extent to which the eligible projects for which funding was provided will lead to measurable environmental gains with respect to air quality;"

After debate, John Finlay moved, - That the amendment be further amended by replacing the word "will" with the following:

"may".

After debate, the question being put on the sub-amendment, on the following recorded division:

YEAS:

Maurice Vellacott

Serge Cardin

Gerald Keddy

John Finlay (-4)

NAYS:

Guy St-Julien

Benoit Serré

Gérard Binet

Rodger Cuzner (-4)

And the result of the vote having been announced: YEAS:4; NAYS:4;

Whereupon the Chair voted in the negative.

The sub-amendment was negatived.

The question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

Benoit Serré moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 30, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 17 with the following:

"it shall be approved by the board and examined by the"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was adopted on division.

Clause 30, as amended, carried.

Clause 31 carried.

On Clause 32,

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 32, be amended by replacing lines 36 to 47 on page 17 and lines 1 to 3 on page 18 with the following:

"liquidation shall be paid to the Receiver General."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

After debate, Clause 32 carried.

Clause 33 carried.

On new Clause ( 33.1 )

Serge Cardin moved, -- That Bill C-4 be amended by adding after line 6 on page 18 the following new clause:

"33.1 For the purposes of the Access to Information Act, the Foundation is deemed to be a government institution within the meaning of section 3 of that Act."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS:

Serge Cardin

Gerald Keddy (-2)

NAYS:

Gérard Binet

Rodger Cuzner

John Finlay

Shawn Murphy

Guy St-Julien

Benoit Serré (-6)

Clause 34 carried on division.

Clauses 35 to 39 carried severally.

On Clause 40,

Gerald Keddy moved, -- That Bill C-4, in Clause 40, be amended by replacing lines 34 and 35 on page 20 with the following:

"40. This Act comes into force on a day to be fixed by order"

The question being put on the amendment, it was adopted by a show of hands.

Clause 40, as amended, carried.

Clause 1 carried.

The Title carried.

The Bill, as amended, carried on division.

ORDERED, -- That the Chair report Bill C-4 with amendments to the House as the First Report of the Committee.

At 1:12 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Jim Latimer
Clerk of the Committee