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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 094

Wednesday, May 10, 2000

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 362-1003, 362-1004, 362-1005, 362-1006, 362-1007, 362- 1008, 362-1009, 362-1010, 362-1011, 362-1012, 362-1013, 362-1014, 362-1015, 362-1016 and 362-1017 concerning health care services. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-34-09;

-- No. 362-1019 concerning the Canada Post Corporation. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-6-12;

-- No. 362-1022 concerning breast cancer. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-65-06;

-- No. 362-1026 concerning unborn children. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-76-04;

-- No. 362-1043 concerning pornography. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-81-06;

-- No. 362-1046 concerning gasoline additives. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-33-07.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Bevilacqua (Vaughan -- King -- Aurora), from the Standing Committee on Finance, presented the Third Report of the Committee (Main Estimates 2000-2001 -- Votes 1, 5, L10 and 15 under FINANCE). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-362-49.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 51 and 52) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Douglas), one concerning human rights in Indonesia (No. 362-1185);

-- by Mr. Chatters (Athabasca), one concerning marriage (No. 362- 1186);

-- by Mr. Scott (Fredericton), one concerning marriage (No. 362- 1187), one concerning child poverty (No. 362-1188) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 362-1189);

-- by Mr. Scott (Skeena), two concerning child poverty (Nos. 362- 1190 and 362-1191);

-- by Mr. Dubé (Madawaska -- Restigouche), one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 362-1192) and one concerning marriage (No. 362-1193);

-- by Mr. Bevilacqua (Vaughan -- King -- Aurora), one concerning the national debt (No. 362-1194) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 362-1195);

-- by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), one concerning abortion (No. 362-1196) and one concerning sex offenders (No. 362-1197);

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning situation in the Middle East (No. 362-1198);

-- by Mr. Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys), one concerning the Senate (No. 362-1199), one concerning pornography (No. 362-1200) and one concerning the highway system (No. 362- 1201).

NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF PAPERS

The Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers P-5 was called pursuant to Standing Order 97(1) and was transferred by the Clerk to "Notices of Motions (Papers)".

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-16, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, as reported by the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1 to 3, 17 and 22.

Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 4 and 5.

Group No. 3 -- Motions Nos. 6 to 8, 15, 16 and 18 to 21.

Group No. 4 -- Motions Nos. 9 and 23.

Group No. 5 -- Motions Nos. 10 to 14.

Group No. 1

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 30 on page 2 with the following:

    "(a) the person is born in Canada of a father or mother who was a citizen or a permanent resident at the time of the birth; or"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing lines 14 to 22 on page 4 with the following:

    "(A) beginning on the day on which the person claimed Convention refugee status under the Immigration Act and ending on the day before the person became a permanent resident, or"

Mr. Bigras (Rosemont), seconded by Mr. de Savoye (Portneuf), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 8, be amended

    (a) by replacing line 11 on page 5 with the following:
        "8. (1) Subject to section 8.1, the Minister shall, on application, grant"
    (b) by adding after line 24 on page 5 the following:
      "(2) For greater certainty, the Province of Quebec shall continue to have full jurisdiction in respect of international adoptions, including the acceptance of any psychosocial assessment of adoptive parents and the issue of a letter of no objection to the adoption of a child.
      8.1 The Minister shall, on application, grant citizenship to a minor child adopted outside Canada by a citizen domiciled or ordinarily resident in Quebec, although the adoption procedure has not yet been completed in accordance with the laws of Quebec, if (a) the adoption is not intended to circumvent the requirements under any enactment for admission to Canada or citizenship; and (b) the adoption proposal has been approved by the administrative authority designated for that purpose by the minister of the government of Quebec responsible for international adoptions."

Mr. Bigras (Rosemont), seconded by Mr. de Savoye (Portneuf), moved Motion No. 17, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 43, be amended by replacing line 25 on page 22 with the following:

    "sections 8 and 8.1 have been met;"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 22, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 55, be amended by replacing lines 12 to 38 on page 27 with the following:

      "55. Proceedings in relation to an application made under the Citizenship Act, chapter C-29 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985, pending on the day on which section 72 of this Act comes into force, must be dealt with under that Act."

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motions Nos. 1 and 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motion No. 17, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 22 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 16, be amended

    (a) by replacing lines 5 to 12 on page 7 with the following:
        "16. (1) Where the Federal Court -- Trial Division, on a proceeding commenced by the Minister under prior legislation or an action commenced by the Minister under this section, or the Federal Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court of Canada in the case of an appeal or appeals, has finally decided, on a balance of probabilities or by default, that a person has obtained, retained, renounced or resumed citizenship by false representation or fraud or knowingly concealing material circumstances, the Court shall make an order revoking the citizenship of that person or the renunciation of citizenship by that person if it has not already been revoked under prior legislation."
    (b) by replacing line 14 on page 7 with the following:
      "that the Court specifies in the"
    (c) by replacing line 16 on page 7 with the following:
        "(3) For the purposes of this Act and prior legislation, a person"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing lines 26 to 43 on page 7 and lines 1 to 8 on page 8 with the following:

      "17. (1) A decision by the Federal Court -- Trial Division under subsection 16(1) and a decision by any person, body or court performing similar functions under prior legislation, that a person has or has not obtained, retained, renounced or resumed citizenship by false representation or fraud or knowingly concealing material circumstances, may be appealed to the Federal Court of Appeal with the leave of the Federal Court of Appeal.
      (2) Where citizenship or a renunciation of citizenship has been revoked under prior legislation and the Federal Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court of Canada finally decides, on a balance of probabilities or by default, on an appeal with the leave of that Court, that the person in question did not obtain, retain, renounce or resume citizenship by false representation or fraud or knowingly concealing material circumstances, that revocation shall be deemed not to have occurred."

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motion No. 5, was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 24, be amended by replacing lines 43 to 48 on page 11 and lines 1 to 6 on page 12 with the following:

      "24. (1) With the consent of the Prime Minister of Canada, the Leader of the Opposition in the House of Commons and the leader in the House of Commons of each party having at least 12 members sitting in that House, the Governor in Council may appoint a retired judge of a superior court for a period of three to five years to perform the duties and have the powers and functions of a Review Committee described in subsections 23 (4), (5) and (6)."

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 31, be amended

    (a) by replacing line 22 on page 15 with the following:
        "31. (1) Subject to subsection (1.1), the Governor in Council may"
    (b) by adding after line 25 on page 15 the following:
        "(1.1) The Governor in Council shall not appoint a person who has been convicted of an offence under section 39 or 40 as a Citizenship Commissioner."

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 32, be amended by replacing line 37 on page 16 with the following:

      "32. Subject to the approval of the standing committee of the House of Commons that normally considers matters relating to citizenship and immigration, the Minister may designate a Citizen-"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 15, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 43, be amended by replacing line 40 on page 21 with the following:

    "(b) subject to alternative resolution of the House of Commons, specifying who may make an applica-"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 16, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 43, be amended by replacing line 18 on page 22 with the following:

    "(e) subject to affirmative resolution of the House of Commons, providing for criteria to determine"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 18, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 43, be amended by replacing line 31 on page 22 with the following:

    "(i) subject to affirmative resolution of the House of Commons, defining what constitutes a relationship"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 19, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 43, be amended by adding after line 34 on page 22 the following:

    "(i.1) subject to affirmative resolution of the House of Commons, defining the expression "best interests of the child";"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 20, -- That Bill C-16, in Clause 43, be amended by adding after line 40 on page 22 the following:

    "(j.1) defining the expression "public interest" for the purposes of section 21;"

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 21, -- That Bill C-16 be amended by adding after line 15 on page 23 the following new clause:

      "43.1 The coming into force of any regulations made by the Governor in Council under paragraph 43(c) is subject to approval of the regulations by the committee of the House of Commons that normally considers matters relating to citizenship."

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), -- That Bill C-5, An Act to establish the Canadian Tourism Commission, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 1289)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assadourian -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Comuzzi -- Cotler -- Cullen -- Davies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Earle -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goodale -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Proulx -- Redman -- Reed -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- 143

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Asselin -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Cadman -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casson -- Chatters -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Konrad -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lunn -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- Mercier -- Pankiw -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Solberg -- St-Hilaire -- Strahl -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- 58

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Lefebvre -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Peterson

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)), -- That Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, a related Act, the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, the Budget Implementation Act, 1997, the Budget Implementation Act, 1998, the Budget Implementation Act, 1999, the Canada Pension Plan, the Companies' Creditors Arrangement Act, the Cultural Property Export and Import Act, the Customs Act, the Customs Tariff, the Employment Insurance Act, the Excise Act, the Income Tax Act, the Tax Court of Canada Act and the Unemployment Insurance Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 1290)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assadourian -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Comuzzi -- Cotler -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pratt -- Proud -- Proulx -- Redman -- Reed -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- St. Denis -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- 125

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Asselin -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Brison -- Cadman -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Elley -- Epp -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Konrad -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- McDonough -- Mercier -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Pankiw -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Price -- Reynolds -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Solberg -- St-Hilaire -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Wayne -- 75

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Lefebvre -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Peterson

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:03 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mr. Steckle (Huron -- Bruce), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, section 163 of the Criminal Code should be amended to reflect a new definition of obscenity as follows: "For the purposes of this Act, any matter or thing is obscene where a dominant characteristic of the matter or thing is the undue exploitation of any one or more of the following subjects, namely, sex, violence, crime, horror or cruelty, through degrading representation of a male or female person or in any other manner." (Private Members' Business M-69)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Harvard (Charleswood -- Assiniboia), one concerning marriage (No. 362-1202);

-- by Mrs. Parrish (Mississauga Centre), one concerning child poverty (No. 362-1203).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:03 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:15 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).