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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 097
Tuesday, November 5, 1996
10:00 a.m.

Prayers

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. Nos. 352-1087 and 352-1095 concerning profits from crime. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-97D;
  2. No. 352-1092 concerning the Young Offenders Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-25K;
  3. No. 352-1093 concerning sexual orientation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-45I;
  4. No. 352-1094 concerning the sexual exploitation of minors. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-74G.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi), moved, — That the 28th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented on September 25, 1996, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was presented as follows:

  • by Mr. McTeague (Ontario), concerning impaired driving (No. 352-1218).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C–61, An Act to implement the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement, as reported by the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade with an amendment.

Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) for Mr. Eggleton (Minister for International Trade), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), moved, — That the Bill, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(11), Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) for Mr. Eggleton (Minister for International Trade), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C–61, An Act to implement the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 62, and in particular, to consider substantially changing the implementation date.”

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at 5:30 p.m.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans), seconded by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), — That Bill C–62, An Act respecting fisheries, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

The debate continued.

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans), seconded by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), — That Bill C–62, An Act respecting fisheries, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

The debate continued.

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 1996, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division at report stage and second reading of Bill C–34, An Act to establish programs for the marketing of agricultural products, to repeal the Agricultural Products Board Act, the Agricultural Products Cooperative Marketing Act, the Advance Payments for Crops Act and the Prairie Grain Advance Payments Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts as reported by the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley–Lloydminster), seconded by Mr. Kerpan (Moose Jaw–Lake Centre), — That Bill C–34 be amended by deleting Clause 31.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 152)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Cummins — Duncan — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Penson — Ramsay — Schmidt — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --33

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Minna — Murray — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Solomon — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — Wood — Zed --171

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, Motion No. 3 was also negatived on the same division.

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), moved, — That Bill C–34, An Act to establish programs for the marketing of agricultural products, to repeal the Agricultural Products Board Act, the Agricultural Products Cooperative Marketing Act, the Advance Payments for Crops Act and the Prairie Grain Advance Payments Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as amended, be concurred in at report stage and read a second time.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to the following division:

(Division — Vote No 153)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Minna — Murray — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Solomon — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — Wood — Zed --171

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Cummins — Duncan — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Penson — Ramsay — Schmidt — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --33

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with a further amendment, read the second time and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 1996, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board and Minister responsible for Infrastructure), seconded by Mr. Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development), — That Bill C–49, An Act to authorize remedial and disciplinary measures in relation to members of certain administrative tribunals, to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The House proceeded to the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Bélisle (La Prairie), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“this House declines to give second reading to Bill C–49, An Act to authorize remedial and disciplinary measures in relation to members of certain administrative tribunals, to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, because the principle of the said Bill does not allow for the possibility for any parliamentary mechanism governing the appointment or revocation of the appointment of members of administrative tribunals.”

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 154)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Benoit — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Duncan — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Mercier — Meredith — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Ramsay — Riis — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Silye — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --79

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Goodale — Grose — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Minna — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wood — Zed --125

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Private Members’ Business

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 1996, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Crête (Kamouraska–Rivière-du-Loup), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should abolish the Senate. (Private Members’ Business M–221)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), — That the motion be amended by adding after the word “Senate” the following:

“in its present form”.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 155)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Allmand — Beaumier — Benoit — Blaikie — Bodnar — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Bryden — Calder — Culbert — Cummins — de Jong — Discepola — Duncan — Epp — Forseth — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Ianno — Jackson — Johnston — Langlois — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lincoln — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McTeague — Meredith — Minna — Nunziata — Paradis — Penson — Peric — Ramsay — Regan — Riis — Schmidt — Serré — Shepherd — Silye — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Wappel — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --63

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Caccia — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — DeVillers — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Fillion — Fontana — Frazer — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jordan — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Nault — Nunez — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Payne — Peters — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Proud — Robichaud — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Walker — Wayne — Wood — Zed --121

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 1996, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the main motion of Mr. Crête (Kamouraska–Rivière-du-Loup), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac).

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 156)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Adams — Asselin — Bachand — Beaumier — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guay — Guimond — Harvard — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — MacDonald — Marchand — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McTeague — Mercier — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Reilly — Paradis — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Riis — Sauvageau — Shepherd — Solomon — Telegdi — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne --56

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Benoit — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Duncan — English — Epp — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gagliano — Gerrard — Gilmour — Godfrey — Goodale — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Johnston — Jordan — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McKinnon — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — Pagtakhan — Patry — Payne — Penson — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Proud — Ramsay — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Silye — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Strahl — Szabo — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams — Wood — Zed --138

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 1996, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Sheridan (Saskatoon–Humboldt), seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa–Vanier), — That the following Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada:

To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roméo A. LeBlanc, a Member of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.

May it Please your Excellency:

We, Her Majesty’s most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament;

And of the amendment of Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), seconded by Mr. Duceppe (Laurier–Sainte-Marie), — That the following words be added to the Address:

“This House deplores that Your Excellency’s advisers have demonstrated a lack of vision in the face of the fundamental issues confronting Canada and Quebec, such as job creation, better administration of public funds, the re-establishment of fiscal justice for all, the recognition of Montreal as the economic hub of Quebec society, the need to protect Quebec culture;

And show a lack of sensitivity toward the poor by proposing a reform of the social programs that strikes at those who are unemployed or on welfare, as well as seniors and students;

And show a total lack of understanding of the referendum results.”

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 1996, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the sub-amendment of Mr. Schmidt (Okanagan Centre), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “Quebec society" the following:

“and, in particular, recognition that it is the separatist movement in Quebec that threatens the economy of Montreal,”.

The question was put on the sub-amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 157)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Cummins — de Jong — Duncan — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Penson — Ramsay — Riis — Schmidt — Silye — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --38

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wood — Zed --165

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Pursuant to Standing Order 50(6), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the amendment of Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), seconded by Mr. Duceppe (Laurier–Sainte-Marie).

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 158)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Benoit — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Duncan — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Mercier — Meredith — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Ramsay — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --75

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — de Jong — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Goodale — Grose — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Solomon — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wood — Zed --128

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Private Members’ Business

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mr. Lee (Scarborough–Rouge River), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider amending the Income Tax Act to provide a Care-Giver Tax Credit for those who provide care in the home for pre-school children, the disabled, the chronically-ill or the aged. (Private Members’ Business M–30)

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 159)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Bachand — Bakopanos — Beaumier — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Caccia — Calder — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Comuzzi — Crête — Culbert — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Epp — Fillion — Finestone — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godfrey — Godin — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Guay — Guimond — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hubbard — Ianno — Johnston — Jordan — Karygiannis — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacDonald — Malhi — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Meredith — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Payne — Peric — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Ramsay — Regan — Riis — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Simmons — Solomon — Speaker — Steckle — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams — Wood --129

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Benoit — Bertrand — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Campbell — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — DeVillers — Duncan — Easter — Finlay — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Goodale — Grose — Hanger — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Penson — Peters — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Richardson — Robichaud — Rock — Schmidt — Serré — Silye — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Torsney — Vanclief — Walker --63

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C–41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mrs. Gagnon (Québec), seconded by Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier–Montcalm), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 1, be amended by replacing line 33 on page 2 with the following:

 
 
“the order,
(a.1)
where both spouses or former spouses are not ordinarily resident in the same province at the time an application for a child support order or a variation order in respect of a child support order is made, or the amount of a child support order is to be recalculated pursuant to section 25.1, and the province in which the child in respect of whom the application is made and is ordinarily resident has been designated by an order made under subsection (5), the laws of the province specified in the order,
(a.2)
where an application described in paragraph (a) is made in respect of more than one child and the children are not ordinarily resident in the same province, the Federal Child Support Guidelines, and,”

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 160)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guay — Guimond — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Marchand — Mercier — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Riis — Sauvageau — Solomon — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — Wayne --46

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Adams — Alcock -- Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier -- Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Benoit -- Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew Bodnar -- Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman -- Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia -- Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall -- Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen -- Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert -- Cullen — Cummins — DeVillers — Discepola -- Dromisky — Duncan — Easter — English -- Epp — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana -- — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Gilmour -- Godfrey — Goodale — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard -- Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno -- Irwin — Jackson — Johnston — Jordan -- Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby -- Knutson — Kraft — Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) -- Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) -- Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) -- Massé — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire -- McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith -- Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunziata -- O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis -- Patry — Payne — Penson — Pereot -- Peters — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud -- Ramsay — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud -- Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré -- Shepherd — Silye — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Strahl -- Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney -- Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran -- Volpe — Walker — Wappel — White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams — Wood — Zed--157

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 2, 3 and 12 were also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 2

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 4 of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 16 and 17 on page 4 with the following:

 
“(2)
shall do so in accordance with
(a)
the needs of every child in respect of whom the order is being made and the ability of the spouse against whom the order is being made to pay the amount set out in the order; and
(b)
the applicable guidelines.”

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 161)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) -- Bridgman — Cummins — Duncan — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner — Johnston — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith — Penson — Ramsay — Schmidt — Silye — Speaker — Strahl -- Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams--34

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft — Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois– — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peri — Peters — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Solomon — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wood — Zed--169

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 5 and 10 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 7 of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing line 5 on page 8 with the following:

 
 
“in accordance with
(a)
the needs of every child in respect of whom the order is being made and the ability of the spouse against whom the order is being made to pay the amount set out in the order; and
(b)
the applicable guidelines.”

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 34, NAYS: 169. (See list under Division No. 161)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 8 and 11 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 6 of Mrs. Gagnon (Québec), seconded by Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier–Montcalm), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 7 to 24 on page 5.

The question was put on Motion No. 6 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 162)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guay — Guimond — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Marchand — Mercier — Nunez Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Sauvageau — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont)

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre/ — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Sud-Centre) — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Benoit — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — de Jong — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Duncan — Easter — English — Epp — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Gilmour — Godfrey — Goodale — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Johnston — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft — Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Penson — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Ramsay — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Silye — Simmons — Solomon — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Strahl Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams — Wood Zed--162

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain -- Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis -- Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy -- Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau -- St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, Motion No. 9 was also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 3

The House resumed consideration of Motion No. 13 of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 11, amended by adding the following after line 11 on page 14:

“26.2.
(1)
The Minister of Justice shall have each proposed guideline laid before the House of Commons.
(2)
Each proposed guideline that is laid before the House of Commons shall, on the day it is laid, be referred by that House to an appropriate committee of that House, as determined by the rules of that House, and that committee shall report its findings to that House.
(3)
A proposed guideline that has been laid pursuant to subsection (1) may be established on the expiration of thirty sitting days after it was laid.
(4)
For the purpose of this section, ‘sitting day’ means a day on which the House of Commons sits.”

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded Mrs. Gagnon (Québec), — That Motion No. 13 be amended

  1. by replacing the words “each proposed guideline” with following:
    “all guidelines proposed by the Minister”
  2. by adding after the words “before the House of Commons” the following:
    “where Clause 1, subsection 3 has not been applied”

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived the following division:

YEAS 41, NAYS: 162. (See list under Division No. 162)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 13 of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest).

The question was put on Motion No. 13 and it was negatived the following division:

YEAS 34, NAYS: 169. (See list under Division No. 161)

Group No. 4

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 14 of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 22, be amended by replacing line 2 on page 21 with the following:

“fifty days have expired after the notice”

The question was put on Motion No. 14 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 34, NAYS: 169. (See list under Division No. 161)

Group No. 5

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 15 of Mr. Hill (Prince George–Peace River), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), — That Bill C–41, in Clause 22, be amended by replacing line 6 on page 21 with the following:

“deemed to have been received by a debtor twenty”

The question was put on Motion No. 15 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS 34, NAYS: 169. (See list under Division No. 161)

Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by M Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That Bill C–41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act, as amended, be concurred in at report stage with a further amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 163)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft — Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Solomon — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wood — Zed--169

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Cummins — Duncan — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Penson — Ramsay — Schmidt — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams--34

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with a further amendment and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Health), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food, Fisheries and Oceans)), — That Bill C–47, An Act respecting human reproductive technologies and commercial transactions relating to human reproduction, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 164)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Benoit — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — de Jong — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Duncan — Easter — English — Epp — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Gilmour — Godfrey — Goodale — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harvard — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft — Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Penson — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Ramsay — Regan — Richardson — Riis — Robichaud — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Silye — Simmons — Solomon — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — Williams — Wood — Zed--155

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral Daviault — de Savoye — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guay — Guimond — Hayes — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Mercier — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Sauvageau — Speaker — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne White (Fraser Valley West)--47

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (Minister for International Trade), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), — That Bill C–61, An Act to implement the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement, be now read a third time and do pass.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C–61, An Act to implement the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 62, and in particular, to consider substantially changing the implementation date.”

The question was put on the amendment and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 165)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Allmand — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Benoit — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — Dubé Duceppe — Dumas — Duncan — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Mercier — Meredith — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Ramsay — Riis — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Silye — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams--78

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Goodale — Grose — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft — Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Minna — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — Wood — Zed--124

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bélisle — Bergeron — Brushett — Campbell — Chamberlain — Debien — Deshaies — Duhamel — Fewchuk — Flis — Graham — Jacob — Laurin — Loubier — Ménard — Murphy — Paré — Peterson — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Whelan

Private Members’ Business

At 6:59, pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Gilmour (Comox–Alberni), seconded by Mr. Harris (Prince George–Bulkley Valley), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should provide a greater measure of protection for individual property rights by amending the Canadian Bill of Rights to read:

“1.
Subject to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society, every person has the right to the enjoyment of that person’s personal and real property and the right not to be deprived thereof unless the person
(a)
is accorded a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice, and
(b)
is paid fair compensation in respect of the property, and the amount of that compensation is fixed impartially, and is paid within a reasonable amount of time after the person is deprived of their property.
  2.
Any person whose rights, as set out in section 1, have been infringed or denied may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction to obtain such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the circumstances.” (Private Members’ Business M–205)

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, November 6, 1996, at 5:30 p.m.

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion

At 7:21 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Adjournment

At 7:34 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).