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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 043
Thursday, May 9, 1996
10:00 a.m.

The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Thereupon, Mrs. Ringuette-Maltais (Madawaska–Victoria), Assistant Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order 8.

Prayers

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. No. 352-0031 concerning sentences in the Criminal Code. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-22E;
  2. Nos. 352-0042, 352-0043, 352-0070, 352-0116, 352-0136, 352-0148, 352-0177 and 352-0181 concerning the Young Offenders Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-25C;
  3. Nos. 352-0113 to 352-0115 concerning the Divorce Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-27C;
  4. No. 352-0137 concerning the Criminal Code of Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-15D;
  5. Nos. 352-0142 to 352-0144 concerning nuclear and military exports. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-59.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Ms. Guarnieri (Mississauga East), from the Standing Committee on Government Operations, presented the 1st Report of the Committee which is as follows:

That a Message be sent to the Senate inviting their Honours to give leave to the Chair of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration, to appear before the Standing Committee on Government Operations in relation to the Main Estimates 1996-97 respecting the Senate — (Vote 1 under Parliament) which were referred to the Committee by the House of Commons on Thursday, March 7, 1996.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 1, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Mrs. Bakopanos (Saint-Denis), from the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, presented the 1st Report of the Committee (Refugee claims). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-8.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), Bill C–35, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (minimum wage), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Gilmour (Comox–Alberni), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), Bill C–281, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act and the Narcotic Control Act (trafficking in a controlled or a restricted drug or narcotic within five hundred metres of an elementary school or high school), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Ménard (Hochelaga–Maisonneuve), seconded by Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), Bill C–282, An Act providing for equal treatment for persons cohabiting in a relationship similar to a conjugal relationship, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Ménard (Hochelaga–Maisonneuve), seconded by Mr. Godin (Châteauguay), Bill C–283, An Act to amend the Department of Labour Act (eligibility for assistance for long-service employees), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Ms. Guarnieri (Mississauga East), seconded by Mr. Crawford (Kent), moved, — That the 1st Report of the Standing Committee on Government Operations, presented to the House earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0404);
  • by Mr. Iftody (Provencher), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0405 and 352-0406);
  • by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0407 and 352-0408);
  • by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning East Timor (No. 352-0409) and one concerning the imprisonment of Leonard Peltier in the United States (No. 352-0410);
  • by Mr. Harper (Simcoe Centre), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0411) and one concerning the sexual exploitation of minors (No. 352-0412);
  • by Mr. O’Brien (London–Middlesex), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0413 and 352-0414);
  • by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody–Coquitlam), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0415);
  • by Mr. Regan (Halifax West), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0416).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C–33, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Mr. Cauchon (Secretary of State (Federal Office of Regional Development — Quebec)) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody–Coquitlam), seconded by Ms. Bridgman (Surrey North), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C–33, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act, be not now read a third time since, as assigning special categories to certain groups in law, this Bill does not seek to uphold the principle of equality of all Canadians while at the same time, it fails to ensure that the current legal definition of marriage, family and spouse in federal statutes and regulations will not be altered and that fundamental freedoms in society will not be infringed upon.”

Debate arose thereon.

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Presenting Petitions

By unanimous consent, pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. O’Reilly (Victoria–Haliburton), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0417 and 352-0418);
  • by Mr. Maloney (Erie), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0419 and 352-0420);
  • by Mr. Bodnar (Saskatoon–Dundurn), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0421 and 352-0422);
  • by Mr. Jackson (Bruce–Grey), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0423);
  • by Mr. Scott (Skeena), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0424);
  • by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0425).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), — That Bill C–33, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody–Coquitlam), seconded by Ms. Bridgman (Surrey North).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made Wednesday, May 8, 1996, under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Acting Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 75)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Bhaduria — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Cummins — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Hanrahan — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Kerpan — Manning — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Penson — Ramsay — Ringma — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Speaker — Stinson — Strahl — Thompson — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --48

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Anderson — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Campbell — Canuel — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Charest — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Langlois — Lastewka — Laurin — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McWhinney — Ménard — Mercier — Mifflin — Milliken — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — Pagtakhan — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Robillard — Robinson — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Shepherd — Speller — St. Denis — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Telegdi — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --164

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Assadourian — Asselin — Bélisle — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brushett — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Collenette — Comuzzi — Crête — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Fewchuk — Fillion — Gauthier — Godfrey — Graham — Guay — Guimond — Hopkins — Jordan — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lefebvre — Marchi — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Mitchell — Paradis — Phinney — Pillitteri — Rocheleau — Sheridan — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Walker — Wells

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 76)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Anderson — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Byrne — Caccia — Campbell — Canuel — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Charest — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Cowling — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Finestone — Finlay — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Langlois — Laurin — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McWhinney — Ménard — Mercier — Mifflin — Milliken — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Nault — Nunez — Pagtakhan — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Robillard — Robinson — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Shepherd — Silye — St. Denis — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Telegdi — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Valeri — Vanclief — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --153

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Bhaduria — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Brushett — Bryden — Calder — Cannis — Collins — Comuzzi — Crawford — Culbert — Cummins — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Hanrahan — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Hubbard — Iftody — Karygiannis — Kerpan — Lastewka — Manning — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McGuire — McTeague — Meredith — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Murray — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Penson — Peric — Pillitteri — Ramsay — Ringma — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — Serré — Skoke — Solberg — Speaker — Speller — Steckle — Stinson — Strahl — Szabo — Thompson — Ur — Verran — Wappel — Wayne — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams --76

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Assadourian — Asselin — Bélisle — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brushett — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Collenette — Comuzzi — Crête — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Fewchuk — Fillion — Gauthier — Godfrey — Graham — Guay — Guimond — Hopkins — Jordan — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lefebvre — Marchi — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Mitchell — Paradis — Phinney — Pillitteri — Rocheleau — Sheridan — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Walker — Wells

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Private Members’ Business

At 6:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Mr. Cannis (Scarborough Centre), seconded by Mr. Bryden (Hamilton–Wentworth), moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should work and consult with the provinces to develop legislation which would set guidelines and licensing regulations to govern the business of immigration consultants. (Private Members’ Business M–29)

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Nunez, seconded by Mr. Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “work and consult with the provinces to develop legislation which would set" with the following:

“inform the provinces of the problems related to the services of immigration consultants and work with them in their development of”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment and it was adopted.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion, as amended, of Mr. Cannis (Scarborough Centre), seconded by Mr. Bryden (Hamilton–Wentworth), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should inform the provinces of the problems related to the services of immigration consultants and work with them in their development of guidelines and licensing regulations to govern the business of immigration consultants.

The question was put on the main motion as amended and it was agreed to.

Messages from the Senate

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

— ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Billl C–18, An Act to establish the Department of Health and to amend and repeal certain Acts, without amendment.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Report on Canada’s activities as a Member Nation of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations for the period April 1, 1994 to March 31, 1996, pursuant to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–26, s. 4. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-559. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1996/97 to 2000/01 and the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1996/97 of the Cape Breton Development Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-827A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources)

by Mr. Young (Minister of Human Resources Development) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 4th Report of the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Disabled Persons: “The Grand Design: Achieving the “Open House" Vision" (Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-186), presented to the House on Wednesday, December 15, 1995. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-352-186.

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

  • by Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0426);
  • by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0427);
  • by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0428);
  • by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0429).

Adjournment

At 6:52 p.m., the Acting Acting Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).