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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 025
Monday, April 15, 1996
11:00 a.m.

The Clerk of the House informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Whereupon, Mr. Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast), Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to subsection 43(1) of the Parliament of Canada Act.

Prayers

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 1)

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies), — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words after the word “That” with the following:

“the budget statement by the Minister of Finance be rejected by this House because: it proposes no real job creation initiatives and does not reduce government spending, most notably the approximately $50 million appropriated annually to the Senate;

it uses the Unemployment Insurance Fund surplus to reduce the budget deficit and reduces social transfers to the provinces;

it undermines labour sponsored venture capital funds, such as the FTQ and CSN funds;

it does not propose a transparent process for achieving genuine reform of corporate taxation, or an unequivocal determination to undertake such reform;

it undermines the provinces’ fiscal autonomy;

it eliminates subsidies to dairy producers without offering them adequate financial compensation;

it jeopardizes women’s financial independence by adopting household income as the basis for determining seniors’ benefits.”

The debate continued.

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Certificates of Election

The Deputy Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election of Mr. Byrne (Humber–St. Barbe–Baie-Verte). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-3.

Mr. Byrne (Humber–St. Barbe–Baie-Verte), having taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House.

The Deputy Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election of Mr. Cullen (Etobicoke North). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-4.

Mr. Cullen (Etobicoke North), having taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House.

The Deputy Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election of Mr. Dion (Saint-Laurent–Cartierville). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-4.

Mr. Dion (Saint-Laurent–Cartierville), having taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House.

The Deputy Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election of Mr. O’Brien (Labrador). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-5.

Mr. O’Brien (Labrador), having taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House.

The Deputy Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election of Mr. Pettigrew (Papineau–Saint-Michel). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-4.

Mr. Pettigrew (Papineau–Saint-Michel), having taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House.

The Deputy Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election of Mr. Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-6.

Mr. Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean), having taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Orders in Council approving certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

  1. P.C. 1996-197, P.C. 1996-198, P.C. 1996-239 and P.C. 1996-282 to P.C. 1996-284. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-8A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)
  2. P.C. 1996-199 and P.C. 1996-370. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-3A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)
  3. P.C. 1996-200 to P.C. 1996-203, P.C. 1996-240 to P.C. 1996-242, P.C. 1996-285 and P.C. 1996-378. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs)
  4. P.C. 1996-204. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-9A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)
  5. P.C. 1996-243. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-1A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development)
  6. P.C. 1996-245 to P.C. 1996-248, P.C. 1996-275 and P.C. 1996-373 to P.C. 1996-377. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-14A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)
  7. P.C. 1996-249 to P.C. 1996-254 and P.C. 1996-379 to P.C. 1996-386. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-16A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)
  8. P.C. 1996-277 and P.C. 1996-368. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-24A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)
  9. P.C. 1996-280. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-20. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts)
  10. P.C. 1996-286 and P.C. 1996-287. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-5A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)
  11. P.C. 1996-289. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-4A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)
  12. P.C. 1996-290 and P.C. 1996-291. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-6B. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources)
  13. P.C. 1996-292 to P.C. 1996-294. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-10A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. No. 351-3981 concerning the national debt. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-43.
  2. No. 351-3989 concerning social policies. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-42.
  3. Nos. 351-4072, 351-4076, 351-4077, 351-4087, 351-4088, 351-4093 and 351-4119 concerning the income tax system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-28A.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 12th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following changes in the membership of Standing Committees:

Citizenship and Immigration

Dhaliwal for McTeague

Cullen for Collins

Environment and Sustainable Development

O’Brien (Labrador) for Fewchuk

Fisheries and Oceans

Byrne for Payne

Government Operations

McTeague for Rideout

Public Accounts

Brien for Bélisle
The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:

Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Godfrey

Human Resources Development

Byrne
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 1, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mr. Thalheimer (Timmins–Chapleau), Bill C–260, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act and the Canada Pension Plan (transfer of income to spouse), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo–Cowichan), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich–Gulf Islands), Bill C–261, An Act to require a referendum on the restoration of the death penalty and to amend the Referendum Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bryden (Hamilton–Wentworth), seconded by Mrs. Brushett (Cumberland–Colchester), Bill C–262, An Act to require charitable and non-profit organizations that receive public funds to declare the remuneration of their directors and senior officers, was introduced, read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Pursuant to Order made Monday, March 4, 1996, the Bill (previously Bill C–224, 1st Session, 35th Parliament) was deemed read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 12th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0252) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0253).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q–11 on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 1)

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies).

The debate continued.

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 84(5), the Deputy Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 32)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bélisle — Benoit — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brien — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dubé — Duceppe — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Jacob — Jennings — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loubier — Manning — Marchand — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Mercier — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Pomerleau — Ramsay — Ringma — Robinson — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — Williams --72

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Alcock — Allmand — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Bertrand — Bethel — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Easter — English — Fewchuk — Flis — Fontana — Gagliano — Gallaway — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Robichaud — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Speller — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --123

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Adams — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crawford — Daviault — Dumas — Dupuy — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Guay — Knutson — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Ménard — Paradis — Paré — Peters — Richardson — Sheridan — St. Denis

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C–19, An Act to implement the Agreement on Internal Trade, as reported by the Standing Committee on Industry with amendments.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), seconded by Mr. Plamondon (Richelieu), — That Bill C–19, in Clause 9, be amended

  1. by replacing line 5, on page 3, with the following:
    “nor in Council may, by order, subject to subsection (1), do any one or”; and
  2. by adding after line 13, on page 3, the following:
    “(2) Any order made under subsection (1) is subject to the adoption by the House of Commons of a resolution explaining the measures contemplated by the order, which shall have been debated for two days before being put to a vote.”

The question was put on Motion No. l and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 72, NAYS: 123. (See list under division No. 32)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Swift Current–Maple Creek–Assiniboia), — That Bill C–19, in Clause 14, be amended

  1. by replacing line 6, on page 4, with the following:
    “14. (1) The Governor in Council shall, by”; and
  2. by replacing line 10, on page 4, with the following:
    “ing out the purposes of the Agreement only after scrutiny and approval by the appropriate committee of the House of Commons”.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS:72, NAYS:123. (See list under division No. 32)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 3 of Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), seconded by Mr. Plamondon (Richelieu), — That Bill C–19, in Clause 20, be amended

  1. by replacing line 1, on page 6, with the following:
    “(1) Subject to subsection (2), this Act or any provision thereof, or”; and
  2. by adding after line 4, on page 6, the following:
    “(2) Any order made this section respecting the coming into force of section 19 is subject to an obligation on the part of the federal government to commence negotiations and to enter into an agreement with the government of Quebec to eliminate inconsistencies between the provisions of the Internal Trade Agreement and Quebec’s laws and regulations respecting bulk trucking.”

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 33)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Asselin — Bachand — Bélisle — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Brien — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dubé — Duceppe — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guimond — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loubier — Marchand — Mercier — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne --37

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Benoit — Bertrand — Bethel — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Easter — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gilmour — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Jennings — Johnston — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Manning — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLaughlin — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Mills (Red Deer) — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Ramsay — Reed — Regan — Ringma — Robichaud — Robinson — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Speller — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Taylor — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Williams — Wood — Young — Zed --158

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Adams — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crawford — Daviault — Dumas — Dupuy — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Guay — Knutson — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Ménard — Paradis — Paré — Peters — Richardson — Sheridan — St. Denis

Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That Bill C–19, An Act to implement the Agreement on Internal Trade, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C–15, An Act to amend, enact and repeal certain laws relating to financial institutions, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), — That Bill C–15, in Clause 41, be amended in the French version, by

  1. replacing lines 28 and 29 on page 39 and substituting the following:
    “une fusion de celle-ci, ou l’a forcée à le faire, à la portion de la”; and
  2. by replacing line 2 on page 40 and substituting the following:
    “dans les circonstances, à”.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 34)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Benoit — Bertrand — Bethel — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Easter — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gilmour — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Jennings — Johnston — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Manning — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLaughlin — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Mills (Red Deer) — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Ramsay — Reed — Regan — Ringma — Robichaud — Robinson — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Speller — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Taylor — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Williams — Wood — Young — Zed --158

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Asselin — Bachand — Bélisle — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Brien — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dubé — Duceppe — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guimond — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loubier — Marchand — Mercier — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne --37

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Adams — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crawford — Daviault — Dumas — Dupuy — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Guay — Knutson — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Ménard — Paradis — Paré — Peters — Richardson — Sheridan — St. Denis

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 and 10 were also agreed to on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 9 of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), — That Bill C–15, in Clause 157, be amended in the English version, by replacing lines 13 to 22 on page 108 and substituting the following:

“this section, the onus of proving

(a) that the company was not insolvent lies on the directors and the shareholders of the company; and

(b) in the case of the directors, that there were reasonable grounds to believe that the company was not insolvent when a dividend was paid or shares were redeemed or purchased for cancellation or that the payment of a dividend or a redemption of shares did not render the company insolvent lies on the directors.”

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 158, NAYS: 37. (See list under division No. 34)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 4 of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), — That Bill C–15, in Clause 70, be amended by adding, immediately after line 6, on page 62, the following:

 
“(5)
Subsections (2) to (4) do not apply with respect to a person or entity that was carrying on business in Canada under a reserved name on the day immediately preceding the day on which those subsections come into force.”

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 158, NAYS: 37. (See list under division No. 34)

Accordingly, Motion No. 8 was also agreed to on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 11 of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies), — That Bill C–15, in the Schedule, be amended by replacing line 26, on page 124, with the following:

“ment of foreign ex-”.

The question was put on Motion No. 11 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS:37, NAYS: 158. (See list under division No. 33)

Accordingly, Motion No.13 was also negatived to on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 12 of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies), — That Bill C–15, in the Schedule, be amended by adding after line 30, on page 127, the following:

 
“(2.1)
A directive may not be issued under this section in respect of a participating institution that is a member of a system for the clearing and settlement of securities transactions by clearing houses.”

The question was put on Motion No. 12 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 37, NAYS: 158. (See list under division No. 33)

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That Bill C–15, An Act to amend, enact and repeal certain laws relating to financial institutions, as amended, be concurred in at report stage, with further amendments.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 35)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Alcock — Allmand — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Bertrand — Bethel — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Easter — English — Fewchuk — Flis — Fontana — Gagliano — Gallaway — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Robichaud — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Speller — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --123

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bélisle — Benoit — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brien — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dubé — Duceppe — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Jacob — Jennings — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loubier — Manning — Marchand — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Mercier — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Pomerleau — Ramsay — Ringma — Robinson — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — Williams --72

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Adams — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crawford — Daviault — Dumas — Dupuy — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Guay — Knutson — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Ménard — Paradis — Paré — Peters — Richardson — Sheridan — St. Denis

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with further amendments, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C–11, An Act to establish the Department of Human Resources Development and to amend and repeal certain related Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development with amendments.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano–Howe Sound), — That Bill C–11 be amended by deleting Clause 4.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 36)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Jennings — Johnston — Manning — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Ramsay — Ringma — Schmidt — Silye — Solberg — Williams --30

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — Easter — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Flis — Fontana — Gagliano — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Godin — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guimond — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLaughlin — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Peterson — Pettigrew — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Robichaud — Robinson — Rocheleau — Rock — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Solomon — Speller — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Taylor — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --165

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Adams — Bellehumeur — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crawford — Daviault — Dumas — Dupuy — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Guay — Knutson — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Ménard — Paradis — Paré — Peters — Richardson — Sheridan — St. Denis

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 2, 4 and 6 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 3 of Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–11, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing lines 8 to 16, on page 6, with the following:

“20.
For the purpose of facilitating the formulation, coordination and implementation of any program or policy relating to the powers, duties and functions referred to in section 6, the Minister may enter into an agreement with an agency of a province, after obtaining the approval of the lieutenant governor in council of the province, and may enter into agreements with a province or group of provinces, financial institutions and such other persons or bodies, other than an agency of the province, as the Minister considers appropriate.”

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 30, NAYS: 165. (See list under division No. 36)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 5 of Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–11 be amended by adding after line 29, on page 10, the following new Clause:

“32.1.
The Minister shall cause to be laid before each House of Parliament, not later than the fifth sitting day of that House after January 31 next following the end of each fiscal year, a report showing the operations of the Department of Human Resources Development for that fiscal year.”

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 72, NAYS: 123. (See list under division No. 32)

Mr. Young (Minister of Human Resources Development), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That Bill C–11, An Act to establish the Department of Human Resources Development and to amend and repeal certain related Acts, as amended, be concurred in at report stage with further amendments.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 123, NAYS: 72. (See list under division No. 35)

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with further amendments, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

By Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1996 to 2000 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1996 of the Atlantic Pilotage Authority, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-842. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

By Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1996 to 2000 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1996 of the Great Lakes Pilotage Authority, Ltd., pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-843. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

By Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1996 to 2000 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1996 of the Pacific Pilotage Authority, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-845. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

by Mr. MacAulay (Minister for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency) — Report of the Enterprise Cape Breton Corporation, together with the Auditor General’s Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-575. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)

by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) — Report on the Operations of the Small Businesses Loans Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Small Businesses Loans Act, R.S. 1985, c. S–11, s. 11. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-240. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)

by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), — Report of the Canada Development Investment Corporation (including Canada Hibernia Holding Corporation and Theratronics International Limited), together with the Auditors’ Reports, for the year 1995, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-471. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) — Report on the Administration of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act, R. S. 1985, c. M–5, s. 41. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-173. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)

Adjournment

At 6:55 p.m., the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).