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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 114

Thursday, December 5, 1996

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) No. 352-1104 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-26L; (2) No. 352-1160 concerning the Divorce Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-27F; (3) No. 352-1180 concerning the United States' policy towards Cuba. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-127A.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Peterson (Willowdale), from the Standing Committee on Finance, presented the 5th Report of the Committee (The 1997 Budget and Beyond: Finish the Job). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-62.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issues Nos. 5, 6, 7 and 8, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Ms. Torsney (Burlington), from the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, presented the 7th Report of the Committee (Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (child prostitution, child sex tourism, criminal harassment and female genital mutilation), with amendments). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-63.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 6, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning sexual abuse of children (No. 352-1372);

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1373);

-- by Mr. Sauvageau (Terrebonne), three concerning the Senate (Nos. 352-1374 to 352-1376);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters' death benefits (No. 352-1377) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1378);

-- by Mr. Crête (Kamouraska -- Rivière-du-Loup), three concerning the Senate (Nos. 352-1379 to 352-1381);

-- by Mr. Volpe (Eglinton -- Lawrence), one concerning tobacco (No. 352-1382), one concerning hormone use in livestock (No. 352-1383) and one concerning national unity (No. 352-1384).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-61 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Health of Bill C-71, An Act to regulate the manufacture, sale, labelling and promotion of tobacco products, to make consequential amendments to another Act and to repeal certain Acts.

Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Health), seconded by Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Hill (Macleod), seconded by Ms. Bridgman (Surrey North), moved, -- That this question be now put.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 196)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chatters -- Cohen -- Collins -- Copps -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gilmour -- Gray --  (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hickey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speaker -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 138

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bélisle -- Bachand -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Bryden -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hart -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Ménard -- Marchand -- Mayfield -- Mercier -- Nunez -- Paré -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Serré -- Solomon -- Speller -- Taylor -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Venne -- 49

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crawford -- Eggleton -- Gauthier -- Kirkby -- Lee -- Loney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)

Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Health), seconded by Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), -- That Bill C-71, An Act to regulate the manufacture, sale, labelling and promotion of tobacco products, to make consequential amendments to another Act and to repeal certain Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 197)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bachand -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Bridgman -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chatters -- Cohen -- Collins -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crête -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Epp -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Gray --  (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hickey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 172

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Bryden -- de Savoye -- Hart -- Jacob -- Langlois -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Rocheleau -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Venne -- 15

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crawford -- Eggleton -- Gauthier -- Kirkby -- Lee -- Loney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

    "Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence."

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

WAYS AND MEANS

Mrs. Stewart (Minister of National Revenue) laid upon the Table, -- Notice of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules and another Act related to the Income Tax Act. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 13) -- Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-13.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mrs. Stewart (Minister of National Revenue), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières).

The debate continued.

QUORUM

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After 5 minutes, a quorum was found.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières).

The debate continued.

QUORUM

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After 6 minutes, a quorum was found.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières).

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Monday, December 9, 1996, at the ordinary hour of daily adjournment.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:18 p.m., by unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata), seconded by Mr. Landry (Lotbinière), -- That Bill C-297, An Act to revoke the conviction of Louis David Riel, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, by unanimous consent, the recorded division was deferred until Tuesday, December 10, 1996, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

-- ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (minimum wage), without amendment.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 5:57 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:16 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).