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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 104
Thursday, November 21, 1996
10:00 a.m.

Prayers

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) laid upon the Table, — Final Report of the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples entitled “People to People, Nation to Nation”, in five volumes:

Volume 1 “Looking Forward, Looking Back”;

Volume 2 “Restructuring the Relationship" Parts 1 and 2;

Volume 3 “Gathering Strength”;

Volume 4 “Perspectives and Realities”;

Volume 5 “Renewal: A Twenty-Year Commitment”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-352-10.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. Nos. 352-1090, 352-1096 and 352-1097 concerning sex offenders. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-2I.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Caccia (Davenport), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), Bill C–351, An Act to provide for the limitation of interest rates, of the application of interest and of fees in relation to credit card accounts, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), moved, — That the 46th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented on Wednesday, November 20, 1996, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), moved, — That, during the course of its study on new technologies and privacy rights, the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Persons with Disabilities be authorized to broadcast its proceedings from rooms other than Room 253-D in the Centre Block, and that the Committee be authorized to broadcast either nationally, over the CPAC network, or on a regional basis, as the Committee may deem it appropriate.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), moved, — That the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs be authorized to travel to Nova Scotia to visit Cornwallis Park, CFB Greenwood, MTC Aldershot and CFB Halifax, on February 27 and 28, 1997, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters’ death benefits (No. 352-1268) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1269);
  • by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1270);
  • by Mr. Nunez (Bourassa), one concerning the Senate (No. 352-1271);
  • by Mr. Harvard (Winnipeg St. James), one concerning pornography (No. 352-1272);
  • by Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 352-1273).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q–83, Q–84 and Q–85 on the Order Paper.

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order of the House for Return:

Q–49 — Mr. O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — For the past two years, which departments, agencies or crown corporations have (a) contributed funding to UNICEF and (b) in what amounts?

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. — Sessional Paper No. 8555-352-49.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Swift Current–Maple Creek–Assiniboia), moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should provide tax fairness for all Canadian families by extending the Child Care Tax deduction to all families of all income levels and converting it to a credit, thereby removing the tax bias against parents caring for their own children.

Debate arose thereon.

Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting the word “should”.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Swift Current–Maple Creek–Assiniboia) in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(17), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 172)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Bridgman — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Harper (Calgary West) — Hart — Hayes — Hoeppner — Johnston — Mayfield — McLaughlin — Meredith — Morrison — Penson — Ramsay — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — Stinson — Taylor — Williams --23

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Baker — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Catterall — Cauchon — Cohen — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duceppe — Dumas — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grose — Guarnieri — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Laurin — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Lincoln — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Ménard — Mercier — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mitchell — Murray — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Peric — Peters — Pettigrew — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Reed — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Whelan — Young — Zed --138

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Asselin — Bellehumeur — Boudria — Caron — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Crête — Dubé — Dupuy — Eggleton — Fillion — Gauthier — Guay — Hubbard — Iftody — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — MacDonald — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Minna — Murphy — Paré — Patry — Pomerleau — Regan — Rocheleau — Rock — Sauvageau — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Venne

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 138. (See list under Division No. 172)

Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved Motion No. 1, — That Vote 37a, in the amount of $19,600,000 under CANADIAN HERITAGE — Canada Information Office, in the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1997, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 173)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Baker — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Cohen — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — Loney — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mitchell — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Peric — Peters — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Reed — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — St. Denis — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Whelan — Young — Zed --111

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Bélisle — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Bridgman — Canuel — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — Deshaies — Duceppe — Dumas — Frazer — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Guimond — Harper (Calgary West) — Hart — Hayes — Hoeppner — Jacob — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loubier — Mayfield — McLaughlin — Ménard — Mercier — Meredith — Morrison — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Ramsay — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — St-Laurent — Stinson — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Williams --50

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Asselin — Bellehumeur — Boudria — Caron — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Crête — Dubé — Dupuy — Eggleton — Fillion — Gauthier — Guay — Hubbard — Iftody — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — MacDonald — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Minna — Murphy — Paré — Patry — Pomerleau — Regan — Rocheleau — Rock — Sauvageau — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Venne

Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved, — That the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1997, except any vote disposed of earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 111, NAYS: 50. (See list under Division No. 173)

Pursuant to Standing Orders 81(21) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), Bill C–68, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1997, was read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 111, NAYS: 50. (See list under Division No. 173)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee of the Whole.

The Committee considered the Bill and reported it without amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved, — That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 174)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Augustine — Baker — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Cohen — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — Loney — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mitchell — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Peric — Peters — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Reed — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — St. Denis — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Whelan — Young — Zed --111

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Bachand — Bélisle — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Canuel — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — Deshaies — Duceppe — Dumas — Frazer — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Guimond — Harper (Calgary West) — Hart — Hayes — Hoeppner — Jacob — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Loubier — Mayfield — McLaughlin — Ménard — Mercier — Meredith — Morrison — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Ramsay — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — St-Laurent — Stinson — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Williams --52

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Asselin — Bellehumeur — Boudria — Caron — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Crête — Dubé — Dupuy — Eggleton — Fillion — Gauthier — Guay — Hubbard — Iftody — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — MacDonald — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Minna — Murphy — Paré — Patry — Pomerleau — Regan — Rocheleau — Rock — Sauvageau — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Venne

Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.

Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 111, NAYS: 52. (See list under Division No. 174)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Private Members’ Business

At 6:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration of Bill C–223, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act (oath of allegiance).

Mr. Allmand (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce), seconded by Mr. Dromisky (Thunder Bay–Atikokan), moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) — Copy of the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Rules amendment (SOR/95-496), pursuant to the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, R. S. 1985, c. B–3, sbs. 209(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-284. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations)

by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) — In-Year Update for the fiscal year 1996-97, pursuant to the 23rd Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs concurred in by the House on June 20, 1996.. — Sessional Paper No. 8530-352-32.

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion

At 6:42 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Adjournment

At 6:48 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).