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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 257

Wednesday, November 8, 1995

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Orders in Council approving certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, as follows:

(1) P.C. 1995-1502 to P.C. 1995-1505, P.C. 1995-1624 to P.C. 1995-1627 and P.C. 1995-1648. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-16U. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development);

(2) P.C. 1995-1510, P.C. 1995-1659, P.C. 1995-1710 and P.C. 1995-1711. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-4S. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations);

(3) P.C. 1995-1511, P.C. 1995-1578 and P.C. 1995-1628 to P.C. 1995-1631. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-3S. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage);

(4) P.C. 1995-1513, P.C. 1995-1514, P.C. 1995-1632 to P.C. 1995-1645 and P.C. 1995-1660 to P.C. 1995-1666. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-2L. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food);

(5) P.C. 1995-1515, P.C. 1995-1579, P.C. 1995-1580 and P.C. 1995-1646. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-13L. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs);

(6) P.C. 1995-1518, P.C. 1995-1519, P.C. 1995-1668 to P.C. 1995-1670 and P.C. 1995-1712. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540 -- 351-226. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry);

(7) P.C. 1995-1520 to P.C. 1995-1523. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-8S. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade);

(8) P.C. 1995-1581, P.C. 1995-1647 and P.C. 1995-1667. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-5Q. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs);

(9) P.C. 1995-1672 and P.C. 1995-1714. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-9N. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Finance);

(10) P.C. 1995-1673. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-12E. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Disabled Persons);

(11) P.C. 1995-1674. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-351-24W. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport).


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

(1) No. 351-3767 concerning the establishment of a witness and informant protection program. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-46H;

(2) No. 351-3880 concerning Indian affairs. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-35E.


Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment) laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``Environmental Performance Reviews''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8530-351-42.

Statements by ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment) made a statement.

Presenting petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Harper (Simcoe Centre), two concerning the Young Offenders Act (Nos. 351-4048 and 351-4049);

-- by Mr. Chatters (Athabasca), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-4050) and one concerning gun control (No. 351-4051).

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

Messages were received from the Senate as follows:

    ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act and the Excise Act.
    ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-105, An Act to implement a convention between Canada and the Republic of Latvia, a convention between Canada and the Republic of Estonia, a convention between Canada and the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago and a protocol between Canada and the Republic of Hungary, for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion with respect to taxes on income.

ROYAL ASSENT

The Speaker informed the House that the Honourable Peter deC. Cory, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, will proceed to the Senate today at 4:00 p.m. for the purpose of giving the Royal Assent to certain bills.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue). -- That Bill C-94, An Act to regulate interprovincial trade in and the importation for commercial purposes of certain manganese-based substances, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

ROYAL ASSENT

A Message was received from the Honourable Peter deC. Cory, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate.

Accordingly, the Speaker, with the House, proceeded to the Senate.

The Commons returned to the Chamber.

Whereupon, the Speaker reported that, when the Commons had been in the Senate, the Honourable' Deputy Governor General was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the following Bills:

    Bill S-9, An Act to amend the Canada -- United States Tax Convention Act, 1984 -- Chapter No. 34;
    Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Explosives Act -- Chapter No. 35;
    Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act and the Excise Act -- Chapter No. 36;
    Bill C-105, An Act to implement a convention between Canada and the Republic of Latvia, a convention between Canada and the Republic of Estonia, a convention between Canada and the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago and a protocol between Canada and the Republic of Hungary, for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion with respect to taxes on income -- Chapter No. 37.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-94, An Act to regulate interprovincial trade in and the importation for commercial purposes of certain manganese-based substances, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

At 5:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-108, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 368)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bachand -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville-Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crête -- Culbert -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Jong -- Debien -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Graham -- Guarnieri -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paré -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Wells -- Whelan -- Young -- Zed -- 180

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson -- Strahl -- White (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- 41

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bakopanos -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Canuel -- Chan -- Crawford -- de Savoye -- Gagliano -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Lincoln -- Maclaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Nunez -- Paradis -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Thalheimer -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. Marleau (Minister of Health), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-95, An Act to establish the Department of Health and to amend and repeal certain Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 369)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chatters -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Gouk -- Graham -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George-Peace River) -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rock -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Speller St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Young -- Zed -- 178

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Jong -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Solomon -- Venne -- 44

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bakopanos -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Canuel -- Chan -- Crawford -- de Savoye -- Gagliano -- Grose -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Lincoln -- Maclaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Nunez -- Paradis -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Thalheimer -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., by unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development of Bill C-322, An Act respecting the office of the Auditor General for the family.

Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody-Coquitlam), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development) -Order in Council P.C. 1995-1829, dated October 31, 1995, concerning the Agreement on Social Security between Canada and the Republic of Austria, pursuant to subsection 42(1) of the Old Age Security Act, Chapter O-9, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-212F. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development) -Statutory Actuarial Report on the Old Age Security Program as at December 31, 1993, pursuant to subsection 9(1) of the Public Pensions Reporting Act, Chapter C-13 (2nd Supp.), Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-596A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)

-- by Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) -Reports of the Immigration and Refugee Board for the period ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to subsections 72(2) of the Access to Information Act, Chapter A-1, and the Privacy Act, Chapter P-21, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-351-548A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs)

-- by Mr. Tobin (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -Report of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended April 30, 1995, pursuant to section 150(1) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter F-11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-294B. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:30 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).