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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 161

Tuesday, February 28, 1995

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 79(3), the Speaker read a Message from His Excellency the Governor General, presented by Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board).

Message on Estimates

    His Excellency the Governor General transmits to the House of Commons the Main Estimates of sums required for the service of Canada for the fiscal year ending on March 31, 1996, and, in accordance with section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867, recommends these Estimates to the House of Commons.

Accordingly, the document entitled ``1995-96 Estimates, Part II: The Main Estimates'' was laid upon the Table. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-84.


Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``1995-96 Estimates, Part I: The Government Expenditure Plan''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-85.


The Speaker laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``1995-96 Estimates for the House of Commons: Expenditure Plan''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-1A.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1739, 351-1745, 351-1766, 351-1768, 351-1772, 351-1774 to 351-1777, 351-1791 to 351-1795, 351-1799, 351-1818 to 351-1821 and 351-1823 concerning euthanasia. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-50L.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) made a statement.

Motions

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(6), Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, -- That the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1996, be referred to the several Standing Committees of the House, as follows:

(1) to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development

-- Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, L20, L25, L30, 35, 40, 45, 50 and 55.

(2) to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food

-- Agriculture and Agri-Food, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20.

(3) to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

-- Canadian Heritage, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, L20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 145 and 150.

(4) to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

-- Citizenship and Immigration, Votes 1, 5, 10 and 15.

(5) to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development

-- Environment, Votes 1, 5 and 10.

-- Privy Council, Vote 30.

(6) to the Standing Committee on Finance

-- Finance, Votes 1, 5, L10, L15, L20, 25, L30, 40 and 55.

-- National Revenue, Votes 1, 5 and 10.

(7) to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

-- Fisheries and Oceans, Votes 1, 5 and 10.

(8) to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

-- Foreign Affairs, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, L25, L30, 35, 40 and 45.

-- Public Works and Government Services, Vote 45.

(9) to the Standing Committee on Government Operations

-- Canadian Heritage, Vote 140.

-- Governor General, Vote 1.

-- Parliament, Vote 1.

-- Privy Council, Votes 1, 5, 10 and 35.

-- Public Works and Government Services, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 and 40.

-- Treasury Board, Votes 1, 5, 10 and 15.

(10) to the Standing Committee on Health

-- Health, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30.

(11) to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development

-- Human Resources Development, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50.

(12) to the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Disabled Persons

-- Justice, Vote 15.

(13) to the Standing Committee on Industry

-- Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Votes 1, 5 and 10.

-- Finance, Votes 45 and 50.

-- Industry, Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, L20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100 and 105.

-- Western Economic Diversification, Votes 1 and 5.

(14) to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs

-- Justice, Votes 1, 5, 10, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 and 45.

-- Privy Council, Vote 40.

-- Solicitor General, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50.

(15) to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs

-- National Defence, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20.

-- Veterans Affairs, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20.

(16) to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources

-- Natural Resources, Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50.

(17) to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs

-- Parliament, Vote 5.

-- Privy Council, Vote 20.

(18) to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts

-- Finance, Vote 35.

(19) to the Standing Committee on Transport

-- Privy Council, Vote 15.

-- Transport, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50.

(20) to the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament

-- Parliament, Vote 10.

(21) to the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages

-- Privy Council, Vote 25.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-2220);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Middlesex), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2221);

-- by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), one concerning gun control (No. 351-2222), one concerning the definition of family (No. 351-2223) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2224);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2225);

-- by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), one concerning government spending (No. 351-2226);

-- by Mr. Harris (Prince George -- Bulkley Valley), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2227) and one concerning abortion (No. 351-2228);

-- by Mr. Ringma (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), two concerning gun control (Nos. 351-2229 and 351-2230);

-- by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), one concerning the tax system (No. 351-2231), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2232), one concerning Old Age Security benefits (No. 351-2233) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2234);

-- by Ms. Skoke (Central Nova), one concerning the economy (No. 351-2235), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-2236) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2237);

-- by Mr. O'Reilly (Victoria -- Haliburton), one concerning gun control (No. 351-2238).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-116 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 20)

The debate continued.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion by amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``the House of Commons reject the government's Budget which systematically off-loads the federal government's financial problems onto the provinces; makes no provision whatsoever to ease the tax burden of the middle class while preserving tax loopholes for wealthy Canadians and large corporations; and completely disregards the pressing needs of the unemployed and the most disadvantaged who will bear the full brunt of additional cuts to social programs.''

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved the following sub-amendment, -- That the amendment be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``Budget'' and substituting the following:

    ``for its failure to eliminate the deficit quickly and decisively within the life of this Parliament and by asking future generations to bear the cost of fiscal irresponsibility.''

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada); (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 20)

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster).

The debate continued.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), -- That Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act and the Criminal Code, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 164)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finlay -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la- -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Madeleine) -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Ouellet -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Simmons -- Skoke -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Young -- Zed -- 146

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- Duceppe -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- McLaughlin -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Stinson -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- Williams -- 79

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bergeron -- Bouchard -- Brushett -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Flis -- Goodale -- Guay -- Hickey -- Irwin -- Langlois -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- MacLaren -- Mercier -- Ménard -- Peters -- Pillitteri -- Robichaud -- Vanclief -- Wood -- de Savoye

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada); (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 20)

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster).

The debate continued.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following paper, deposited with the Clerk of the House, was laid upon the Table:

-- By Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) -- ``1995-96 Estimates, Part III: Expenditure Plans'', pursuant to the 12th Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts adopted by the House on Wednesday, June 23, 1982, as follows:

(1) Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-86;

(2) Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-87;

(3) Atomic Energy Control Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-88;

(4) Canada Labour Relations Board -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-89;

(5) Canadian Advisory Council on the Status of Women. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-90;

(6) Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-91;

(7) Canadian Centre for Management Development. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-92;

(8) Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-93;

(9) Canadian Heritage. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-94;

(10) Canadian Human Rights Commission. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-95;

(11) Canadian Intergovernmental Conference Secretariat. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-96;

(12) Canadian International Development Agency. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-97;

(13) Canadian International Trade Tribunal. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-98;

(14) Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-99;

(15) Canadian Space Agency. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-100;

(16) Citizenship and Immigration Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-101;

(17) Civil Aviation Tribunal of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-102;

(18) Competition Tribunal of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-103;

(19) Copyright Board Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-104;

(20) Correctional Service Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-105;

(21) Emergency Preparedness Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-106;

(22) Environment Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-107;

(23) Federal Office of Regional Development-Quebec. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-108;

(24) Department of Finance Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-109;

(25) Department of Justice Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-110;

(26) Fisheries and Oceans. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-111;

(27) Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-112;

(28) Grain Transportation Agency. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-113;

(29) Hazardous Materials Information Review Commission Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-114;

(30) Health Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-115;

(31) Human Resources Development Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-116;

(32) Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-117;

(33) Indian and Northern Affairs Canada and Canadian Polar Commission. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-118;

(34) Industry Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-119;

(35) Medical Research Council of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-120;

(36) NAFTA Secretariat, Canadian Section. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-121;

(37) National Archives of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-122;

(38) National Battlefields Commission. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-123;

(39) National Defence. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-124;

(40) National Energy Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351- 125;

(41) National Film Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-126;

(42) National Library of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-127;

(43) National Parole Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-128;

(44) National Research Council Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-129;

(45) National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-130;

(46) National Transportation Agency of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-131;

(47) Natural Resources Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-132;

(48) Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-133;

(49) Northern Pipeline Agency Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-134;

(50) Office of the Auditor General of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-135;

(51) Office of the Chief Electoral Officer. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-136;

(52) Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-137;

(53) Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-138;

(54) Office of the Correctional Investigator. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-139;

(55) Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-140;

(56) Offices of the Information and Privacy Commissioners. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-141;

(57) Patented Medicine Prices Review Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-142;

(58) Privy Council Office. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-143;

(59) Public Service Commission of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-144;

(60) Public Service Staff Relations Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-145;

(61) Public Works and Government Services Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-146;

(62) Royal Canadian Mounted Police. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-147;

(63) Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-148;

(64) Royal Canadian Mounted Police Public Complaints Commission. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-149;

(65) Registry of the Federal Court of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-150;

(66) Revenue Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-151;

(67) Security Intelligence Review Committee. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-152;

(68) Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-153;

(69) Solicitor General Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-154;

(70) Statistics Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-155;

(71) Status of Women Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-156;

(72) Supreme Court of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-157;

(73) Tax Court of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-158;

(74) Transport Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-159;

(75) Transportation Safety Board of Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-160;

(76) Treasury Board of Canada -- Secretariat. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-161;

(77) Veterans Affairs Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520- 351-162; and

(78) Western Economic Diversification Canada. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-351-163.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mr. English (Kitchener), concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2239).

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:52 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).