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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 32
Tuesday, August 16, 2022, 11:01 a.m. to 1:31 p.m.
Raquel Dancho, Vice-Chair (Conservative)

• Stephen Ellis for Tako Van Popta (Conservative)
• Christine Normandin for Kristina Michaud (Bloc Québécois)
• Rick Perkins for Doug Shipley (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Michaela Keenan-Pelletier, Analyst
Department of Justice
• François Daigle, Deputy Minister of Justice and Deputy Attorney General of Canada
• Owen Rees, Acting Assistant Deputy Attorney General
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Jolene Bradley, Director General, National Communications Services
• Darren Campbell, Chief Superintendent, Criminal Operations Officer, 'J' Division, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, New Brunswick
• Lia Scanlan, Director Strategic Communications Unit
• Alison Whelan, Chief, Strategic Policy and External Relations Officer
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, June 23, 2022, the committee resumed its study of allegations of political interference in the 2020 Nova Scotia mass murder investigation.

François Daigle made a statement and with Owen Rees answered questions.

At 11:57 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:03 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Alison Whelan, Darren Campbell, Lia Scanlan and Jolene Bradley made statements and answered questions.

At 1:02 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:05 p.m., the sitting resumed.


Rick Perkins moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee hold a three-hour meeting on the Allegations of Political Interference in the 2020 Nova Scotia Mass Murder Investigation study, including 30 minutes of committee business, between September 12 and September 30th 2022, to hear from the following witnesses:

  • Zita Astravas, Chief of Staff to the Minister of Emergency Preparedness;
  • Felix Cacchione, Director of Nova Scotia Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT);
  • Ken MacKillop, Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet (Communications and Consultations), Privy Council Office;
  • Dan Brien, Director of Media Relations, RCMP;
  • Cindy Bayers, Director Strategic Communications, RCMP, and;

that the calendars and phone logs from April 18, 2020, to April 28, 2020, of Zita Astravas, Chief of Staff to the Minister of Emergency Preparedness, be provided prior to the meeting.


Pam Damoff moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words following ‘That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee’ with the words: convene a meeting of Committee Business to determine if it wishes to continue the current study, and if so, what witnesses should be heard from, and that meeting be held after September 19, 2022 .


Taleeb Noormohamed moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Paul Chiang, Pam Damoff, Ron McKinnon, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 5;

NAYS: Stephen Ellis, Dane Lloyd, Christine Normandin, Rick Perkins — 4.

At 1:26 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:27 p.m., the sitting resumed.

On motion of Dane Lloyd, it was agreed, — That the committee meet to discuss committee business with regard to next steps concerning this study, and that the meeting be held between September 19, 2022, and September 30, 2022.

At 1:31 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Miriam Burke
Committee clerk