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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 94
Monday, February 26, 2024, 11:00 a.m. to 1:14 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Hon. John McKay (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Martin Auger, Analyst
• Andrés León, Analyst
House of Commons
• Philip den Ouden, Procedural Clerk
Military Grievances External Review Committee
• Vihar Joshi, Interim Chairperson
National Defence and Canadian Armed Forces Ombudsman
• Gregory Lick, Ombudsman
• Robyn Hynes, Director General, Operations
Offices of the Information and Privacy Commissioners of Canada
• Caroline Maynard, Information Commissioner
• Allison Knight, Senior Director of Investigations, Priority Cases, Historical and Intelligence
Office of the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner
• Harriet Solloway, Commissioner
• Brian Radford, General Counsel
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, November 2, 2023, the committee resumed its study of transparency within the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces.

Gregory Lick and Vihar Joshi made statement and answered questions.

At 12:03 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:09 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Caroline Maynard and Harriet Solloway made statements and, with Brian Radford and Allison Knight, answered questions.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That the committee extend the transparency within the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces study by one additional meeting and invite the Privacy Commissioner to appear.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Lindsay Mathyssen moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “one additional meeting” to “two additional meetings” and by adding the words “the Chief of Defence staff, and the former Defence Ombudsman, Gary Walbourne” after the words “Privacy Commissioner”.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Marie-France Lalonde moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chad Collins, Andy Fillmore, Darren Fisher, Marie-France Lalonde, Emmanuella Lambropoulos — 5;

NAYS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Pat Kelly, Shelby Kramp-Neuman, Lindsay Mathyssen, Christine Normandin — 6.

The debate continued on the amendment of Lindsay Mathyssen.

The question was put on the amendment of Lindsay Mathyssen and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 11; NAYS: 0.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 11; NAYS: 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee extends the transparency within the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces study by two additional meetings and invite the Privacy Commissioner, the Chief of Defence Staff, and the former National Defence and Canadian Armed Forces Ombudsman, Gary Walbourne, to appear.

On motion of Chad Collins, it was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $6,000. 00, for the study of Transparency within the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces, be adopted.

At 1:14 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Andrew Wilson
Clerk of the committee