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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 64
Thursday, April 27, 2023, 11:00 a.m. to 1:06 p.m.
Sean Casey, Chair (Liberal)

• Ken Hardie for Majid Jowhari (Liberal)
• Todd Doherty for Matt Jeneroux (Conservative)
• Wilson Miao for Brendan Hanley (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Kelly Farrah, Analyst
• Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos, P.C., M.P., Minister of Health
As an individual
• Mélanie Bourassa Forcier, Full Professor
Department of Health
• Stephen Lucas, Deputy Minister
• Eric Bélair, Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch
Department of Justice
• T. Nessim Abu-Zahra, Counsel, Health Legal Services Unit
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, March 9, 2023, the committee commenced its study of the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board.

The minister made a statement and, with Stephen Lucas, Eric Bélair and T. Nessim Abu-Zahra, answered questions.

At 12:03 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:11 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Mélanie Bourassa Forcier made a statement and answered questions.


Stephen Ellis moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1), the committee order the production of all inter- and intra-departmental communications related to the cancellation of the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board consultation;

That these shall include:

  1. emails,
  2. text messages,
  3. memoranda,
  4. messages sent on platforms including, but not limited to, WhatsApp, and Signal;

And that this information is to be provided to the committee no later than Tuesday, May 9, 2023.

Debate arose thereon.


Adam van Koeverden moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 6.

The debate on the motion of Stephen Ellis continued.


Luc Thériault moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural admissibility of the proposed motion.


The Chair ruled the motion admissible.

Whereupon, Robert Kitchen appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Wilson Miao, Ken Hardie, Marcus Powlowski, Sonia Sidhu, Adam van Koeverden, Luc Thériault, Don Davies —7;

NAYS: Stephen Ellis, Ziad Aboultaif, Todd Doherty, Robert Kitchen — 4.

Accordingly, the Chair’s decision was sustained.

The question was put on the motion of Luc Thériault and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 7; NAYS: 4.

At 1:06 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Patrick Williams
Clerk of the committee