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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 26
Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 4:32 p.m. to 6:38 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Ali Ehsassi, Chair (Liberal)

• Hon. John McKay for Hon. Hedy Fry (Liberal)
• Maninder Sidhu for Hon. Robert Oliphant (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Allison Goody, Analyst
• Billy Joe Siekierski, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

On motion of Rachel Bendayan, it was agreed, — That the committee undertake a study on the escalating hostilities between Azerbaijan and Armenia, including military strikes inside Armenia’s internationally recognized borders, recognizing the threat this confrontation poses to local civilian populations as well as to regional stability and security; that the committee hold a minimum of two meetings on this study, including one meeting to hear from witnesses and one meeting to receive a briefing from officials concerning the situation.

Motion

Garnett Genuis moved, — That, in relation to the study of the export of Russian Gazprom turbines, the committee (a) hold two additional meetings to invite witnesses from the existing lists; (b) at a separate hearing, invite representatives of Siemens and of Canadian Gas Association to testify for two hours; (c) at a separate hearing, invite the Minister of Foreign Affairs to appear for two hours to provide an update on the turbine issue and other Ukraine-related developments; (d) instruct staff to prepare a draft report which includes a recommendation to immediately revoke the permit; and, (e) conduct a study of the Canadian sanctions regime in general, with details to be defined later.

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:05 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:15 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Amendment

Heather McPherson moved, — That the motion be amended by:

  • replacing the words “two additional meetings” with the words “one additional meeting”;
  • deleting the following: “which includes a recommendation to revoke the permit”; and,
  • adding the words “on the committee’s study on Ukraine, including the sanctions waiver” after the words “draft report”.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Rachel Bendayan moved, — That the amendment be amended by:

  • deleting the following: “a) hold two additional meetings to invite witnesses from the existing lists; (b) at a separate hearing, ”, “(c) at a separate hearing, ”, “(d)” and “;and, (e) conduct a study of the Canadian sanctions regime in general, with details to be defined later.”; and,
  • adding the word “and” after the words “Ukraine-related developments;”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Rachel Bendayan and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Heather McPherson, as amended, and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the motion of Garnett Genuis, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, in relation to the study of the export of Russian Gazprom turbines, the committee invite representatives of Siemens and of Canadian Gas Association to testify for two hours; invite the Minister of Foreign Affairs to appear for two hours to provide an update on the turbine issue and other Ukraine-related developments; and instruct staff to prepare a draft report on the committee’s study on Ukraine, including the sanctions waiver.

Motion

Sameer Zuberi moved, — That the committee hold at least one meeting on the extreme flooding in Pakistan and what support is needed by the Pakistani people during this time of need; and that witnesses include officials from Global Affairs Canada, civil society organizations providing aid on the ground, and other relevant experts.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the motion be amended by:

  • replacement of the words “one meeting” with the words “three meetings”;
  • adding the words “the Minister for International Development,” after the words “witnesses include”; and,
  • adding the words “; and that the committee report its findings to the House. " after the words “relevant experts;”.
Subamendment

Heather McPherson moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the word “three” with the word “two”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Heather McPherson and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Garnett Genuis, as amended, and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the motion of Sameer Zuberi, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee hold at least two meetings on the extreme flooding in Pakistan and what support is needed by the Pakistani people during this time of need distress; and that witnesses include the Minister for International Development, officials from Global Affairs Canada, civil society organizations providing aid on the ground, and other relevant experts; and that the committee report its findings to the House.

It was agreed, — That the analysts be instructed to write a revised version of the draft report related to the study of vaccine equity and intellectual property rights.

Motion

Heather McPherson moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct a follow-up study to the 2017 committee study on Canada's sanctions regime titled “A Coherent and Effective Approach to Canada's Sanctions Regimes: Sergei Magnitsky and Beyond”; that the committee review the government's implementation of the recommendations in the 2017 report; that the committee review the need for new recommendations, if any, resulting from Canada's response to the situation in Ukraine and other situations since 2017; that the committee hold no fewer than four meetings; that the committee report its findings to the House; and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

Amendment

Rachel Bendayan moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the word “four” with the word “two”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment of Rachel Bendayan and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Rachel Bendayan, Stéphane Bergeron, John McKay, Randeep Sarai, Maninder Sidhu, Sameer Zuberi — 6;

NAYS: Ziad Aboultaif, Michael D. Chong, Garnett Genuis, Heather McPherson, Marty Morantz — 5.

After debate, the question was put on the motion of Heather McPherson, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct a follow-up study to the 2017 committee study on Canada's sanctions regime titled “A Coherent and Effective Approach to Canada's Sanctions Regimes: Sergei Magnitsky and Beyond”; that the committee review the government's implementation of the recommendations in the 2017 report; that the committee review the need for new recommendations, if any, resulting from Canada's response to the situation in Ukraine and other situations since 2017; that the committee hold no fewer than two meetings; that the committee report its findings to the House; and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

It was agreed, — That the analysts be instructed to provide information on the requirements for the comprehensive review of the provisions and operation of the Special Economic Measures Act.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee commenced its study of referendums in Russian-occupied parts of Ukraine.

Motion

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the committee condemns any attempts to hold referendums in Russian-occupied parts of Ukraine; any such referendums have no legitimacy, the committee maintains its belief that Ukrainian national boundaries recognized at the time of the Budapest Memorandum remain Ukraine’s national boundaries today, and the committee report this motion to the House.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Ziad Aboultaif, Rachel Bendayan, Stéphane Bergeron, Michael D. Chong, Garnett Genuis, John McKay, Heather McPherson, Marty Morantz, Randeep Sarai, Maninder Sidhu, Sameer Zuberi — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

ORDERED, — That the Chair present the report to the House.

At 6:38 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Ariane Gagné-Frégeau
Clerk of the committee