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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 52
Tuesday, June 1, 2021, 4:02 p.m. to 8:37 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Hon. Wayne Easter, Chair (Liberal)

House of Commons
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Brett Capwell, Analyst
• Michaël Lambert-Racine, Analyst
Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
• Garima Dwivedi, Director General, Indigenous Institutions and Governance Modernization, Resolution and Partnerships
• Leane Walsh, Director, Fiscal Policy and Investment Readiness
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Benoit Cadieux, Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• David Charter, Director, Workplace Information and Research Division, Labour Program
• Nina Damsbaek, Director, Policy and Research, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch
• Catherine Demers, Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Barbara Moran, Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate
• Frances McCormick, Executive Director, Integrated Labour System, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program
• Lorraine Pelot, Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch
• Kristen Underwood, Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch
• Kevin Wagdin, Director, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Income Security and Social Development Branch
Department of Finance
• Erin O'Brien, Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Suzanne Kennedy, Acting Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch
• Yannick Mondy, Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch
• Samuel Millar, Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance
• Justin Brown, Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Neil Mackinnon, Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Gabriel Ngo, Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Omar Rajabali, Director General, Social Policy Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch
• Julie Trepanier, Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Kathleen Wrye, Acting Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Richard Bilodeau, Director General, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
Department of Indigenous Services
• Christopher Duschenes, Director General, Economic Policy Development, Lands and Economic Development
Department of Industry
• Andre Arbour, Acting Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch
• Steve Watton, Manager, Policy, Canada Small Business Financing Program
Department of Justice
• Toby Hoffmann, Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector
• Anna Dekker, Acting Senior Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector
National Research Council of Canada
• Stephen Scott, Director General, Strategy and Performance
Office of Infrastructure of Canada
• Eric Malara, Director, Governance and Reporting
Pursuant to the order of reference of Thursday, May 27, 2021, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-30, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on April 19, 2021 and other measures.

The committee resumed its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

After debate, Clause 171 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 172 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 173 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 174 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 175 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 176 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 177 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 178 to 188 inclusive carried on division severally.

After debate, Clause 189 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 190 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 191 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 192 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 193 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 194 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 195 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 196 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 197 carried on division.

On new Clause 197.1,

Gabriel Ste-Marie moved, — That Bill C-30 be amended by adding after line 9 on page 251 the following new clause:

“197.1 The Minister of Finance must invite representatives of all the provinces to a meeting on the Canada Health Transfer no later than August 1, 2021.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 770 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Gabriel Ste-Marie appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dzerowicz, Ted Falk, Ed Fast, Darren Fisher, Peter Fragiskatos, Tamara Jansen, Pat Kelly, Annie Koutrakis, Michael V. McLeod — 9;

NAYS: Peter Julian, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 2.

After debate, Clause 198 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 199 and 200 carried on division severally.

At 6:09 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:39 p.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, Clause 201 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 202 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 203 and 204 carried on division severally.

After debate, Clause 205 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 206 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 207 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 208 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 209 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 210 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 211 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 212 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 213 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 214 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 215 to 219 inclusive carried on division severally.

After debate, Clause 220 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 221 to 245 inclusive carried on division severally.

On Clause 246,

Gabriel Ste-Marie moved, — That Bill C-30, in Clause 246, be amended by replacing lines 7 and 8 on page 275 with the following:

“(2) Subsection 47.3(2) of the Act is replaced by the following:

(2) An employer who succeeds a previous contractor as the provider of services, in accordance with a contract or other arrangement, must grant the employees providing the services under that contract or arrangement rights and benefits, including with respect to remuneration, at least as favourable as those that the employees of the previous contractor who provided the same or substantially similar services were entitled to receive under the terms of a collective agreement to which this Part applied.

(2.1) Nothing in subsection (2) shall be construed as affecting any rights or benefits of an employee under the contract or arrangement that are more favourable to the employee than their rights or benefits under the collective agreement.”

Debate arose thereon.

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 770 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

After debate, Clause 246 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 247 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 248 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 249 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 250 and 251 carried on division severally.

After debate, Clause 252 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 253 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 254 carried on division.

After debate, Clauses 255 to 262 inclusive carried on division severally.

After debate, Clause 263 carried on division.

On Clause 264,

Peter Julian moved, — That Bill C-30, in Clause 264, be amended by replacing lines 17 to 23 on page 283 with the following:

“264 Section 11.3 of the Canada Student Loans Act and the heading before it are replaced by the following:

No Interest Payable Beginning April 1, 2021

11.3 Beginning on April 1, 2021, no interest is payable by a borrower on a guaranteed student loan.”

Debate arose thereon.

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on page 772 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Peter Julian appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dzerowicz, Ted Falk, Ed Fast, Peter Fragiskatos, Sean Fraser, Tamara Jansen, Pat Kelly, Annie Koutrakis, Michael V. McLeod — 9;

NAYS: Peter Julian, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 2.

Clause 264 carried on division.

On Clause 265,

Peter Julian moved, — That Bill C-30, in Clause 265, be amended by replacing lines 1 to 8 on page 284 with the following:

“265 Section 9.4 of the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act and the heading before it are replaced by the following:

No Interest Payable Beginning April 1, 2021

9.4 Beginning on April 1, 2021, no interest is payable by a borrower on a student loan.”

Debate arose thereon.

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on page 772 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Peter Julian appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dzerowicz, Ted Falk, Ed Fast, Peter Fragiskatos, Sean Fraser, Tamara Jansen, Pat Kelly, Annie Koutrakis, Michael V. McLeod — 9;

NAYS: Peter Julian, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 2.

Clause 265 carried on division.

On Clause 266,

Peter Julian moved, — That Bill C-30, in Clause 266, be amended by replacing lines 9 to 15 on page 284 with the following:

“266 Section 8.2 of the Apprentice Loans Act and the heading before it are replaced by the following:

No Interest Payable Beginning April 1, 2021

8.2 Beginning on April 1, 2021, no interest is payable by a borrower on an apprentice loan.”

Debate arose thereon.

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on page 772 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Peter Julian appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dzerowicz, Ted Falk, Ed Fast, Peter Fragiskatos, Sean Fraser, Tamara Jansen, Pat Kelly, Annie Koutrakis, Michael V. McLeod — 9;

NAYS: Peter Julian, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 2.

Clause 266 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 267 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 268 carried on division.

At 8:37 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre Roger
Clerk of the Committee