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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 36
Monday, May 31, 2021, 3:30 p.m. to 5:36 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Francis Scarpaleggia, Chair (Liberal)

• Elizabeth May (Green Party)
• Yasmin Ratansi (Independent)
House of Commons
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Natacha Kramski, Analyst
• Ross Linden-Fraser, Analyst
Department of Finance
• Samuel Millar, Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance
Department of the Environment
• John Moffet, Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch
• Douglas Nevison, Assistant Deputy Minister, Climate Change Branch
Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, May 4, 2021, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-12, An Act respecting transparency and accountability in Canada's efforts to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by the year 2050.

The Committee resumed clause-by-clause consideration on Clause 9 of the Bill.

On Clause 9,

Taylor Bachrach moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 9, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 4 the following:

“(2.1) The emissions reduction plan for 2030 must include an interim greenhouse gas emission objective for 2026.”

Debate arose thereon.

Lloyd Longfield moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing, in the English version, the words "gas emission" with the words "gas emissions".

By unanimous consent, after debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Lloyd Longfield and it was agreed to.

Kristina Michaud moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words "an interim greenhouse gas emissions objective" with the words "a greenhouse gas emissions target".

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Kristina Michaud and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kristina Michaud — 1;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 6.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Taylor Bachrach, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 9, be amended by replacing line 20 on page 4 with the following:

“(4) The Governor in Council must establish each subsequent emis-”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 9, be amended by replacing lines 21 and 22 on page 4 with the following:

“sions reduction plan at least 10 years before the beginning of the year to which it relates, and each plan must update the last five years of the previous plan.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kristina Michaud — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Ya'ara Saks moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 9, be amended by adding after line 22 on page 4 the following:

“(5) When establishing a greenhouse gas emissions reduction plan, the Minister must take into account the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the submissions provided by the advisory body under section 13 and advice it provided in its report under subsection 22(1), and any other considerations that are relevant to the purpose of this Act.”

The question was put on the amendment of Ya'ara Saks and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Clause 9, as amended, carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

On Clause 10,

Ya'ara Saks moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended by

(a) adding after line 25 on page 4 the following:

“(a.1) a summary of Canada’s most recent official greenhouse gas emissions inventory and information relevant to the plan that Canada submitted under its international commitments with respect to climate change;”

(b) adding after line 28 on page 4 the following:

“(b.1) a description of how Canada’s international commitments with respect to climate change are taken into account in the plan;”

(c) adding after line 32 on page 4 the following:

“(e) a projected timetable for implementation for each of the measures and strategies described in paragraphs (a) to (d);

(f) projections of the annual greenhouse gas emission reductions resulting from those combined measures and strategies, including projections for each economic sector that is included in Canada’s reports under the Convention; and

(g) a summary of key cooperative measures or agreements with provinces and other governments in Canada.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Ya'ara Saks and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Kristina Michaud moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended

(a) by replacing lines 26 and 27 on page 4 with the following:

“(b) a description of the measures to be taken to”

(b) by adding after line 32 on page 4 the following:

“(e) a description of the method for calculating greenhouse gas emissions;

(f) a description of the tools for measuring progress; and

(g) a description of the tools for assessing the impact of the reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Kristina Michaud and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kristina Michaud — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 28 on page 4 the following:

“(b.1) detailed information and modelling of the expected annual emissions reduction for the year to which the plan relates;”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kristina Michaud — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 32 on page 4 the following:

“(e) a carbon budget for each five-year period before the beginning of the year to which the plan relates;

(f) a summary of Canada’s most recent official greenhouse gas emissions inventory;

(g) a description of the key emissions reduction measures expected to be taken by governments of the provinces;

(h) an evidence-based estimate of the total combined greenhouse gas emissions reduction that the plan will achieve for the year to which it relates, with emissions reduction disaggregated for each sector and province;

(i) a timetable for the implementation of each measure and strategy, and reasonable estimates of the greenhouse gas emissions reduction that the plan will achieve; and

(j) modelling of the combined annual emissions reduction expected from the measures and strategies described in the plan, including key assumptions and methodological approaches.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 770 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Dan Albas appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 32 on page 4 the following:

“(e) the carbon budget for the year to which the plan relates.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 770 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Third Edition.

Whereupon, Dan Albas appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing line 1 on page 5 with the following:

“(2) An emissions reduction plan must demonstrate how the”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kristina Michaud — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Cathy McLeod moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 5 on page 5 the following:

“(2.1) An emissions reduction plan must balance meeting greenhouse gas emissions targets against social and economic factors, including impacts on employment, different sectors of Canada's economy and national unity.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Cathy McLeod and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7.

After debate, Clause 10, as amended, carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

On Clause 11,

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 11, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 5 with the following:

“11 The Governor in Council may amend an emissions target set un-”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Kristina Michaud, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7.

Kristina Michaud moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 11, be amended by replacing lines 13 and 14 on page 5 with the following:

“11 The Minister may amend an emissions reduction plan in a manner”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Kristina Michaud and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kristina Michaud — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

At 5:36 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Angela Crandall
Clerk of the Committee