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Minutes of Proceedings

42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 199
Thursday, February 28, 2019, 11:05 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Hon. Wayne Easter, Chair (Liberal)

• Rachael Harder for Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative)
• Karen McCrimmon for Kim Rudd (Liberal)
• Larry Miller for Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Andrew Barton, Analyst
• Brett Capstick, Analyst
Canada Revenue Agency
• Bob Hamilton, Commissioner of Revenue and Chief Executive Officer
• Kami Ramcharan, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Commissioner, Finance and Administration Branch
• Ted Gallivan, Assistant Commissioner, International, Large Business and Investigations Branch
• Geoff Trueman, Assistant Commissioner, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch
• Gillian Pranke, Deputy Assistant Commissioner, Assessment, Benefit, and Service Branch
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee commenced its study of the subject matter of the Interim Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Revenue Agency.

Canada Revenue Agency
• Bob Hamilton, Commissioner of Revenue and Chief Executive Officer
• Kami Ramcharan, Chief Financial Officer and Assistant Commissioner, Finance and Administration Branch
• Ted Gallivan, Assistant Commissioner, International, Large Business and Investigations Branch
• Geoff Trueman, Assistant Commissioner, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch
• Gillian Pranke, Deputy Assistant Commissioner, Assessment, Benefit, and Service Branch
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee commenced its study of the subject matter of the Supplementary Estimates (B), 2018-19: Votes 1b and 5b under Canada Revenue Agency.

Bob Hamilton made a statement and, with Geoff Trueman and Ted Gallivan, answered questions.

At 12:08 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:14 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Department of Finance
• Daryl Boychuk, Expert Advisor, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Trevor McGowan, Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Monday, October 15, 2018, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-82, An Act to implement a multilateral convention to implement tax treaty related measures to prevent base erosion and profit shifting.

The Committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

The witnesses answered questions.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1, Short Title, was postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

Clause 2 carried on division.

Clause 3 carried on division.

Clause 4 carried on division.

Clause 5 carried on division.

Clause 6 carried on division.

The Schedule carried on division.

Clause 1, Short Title, carried on division.

The Title carried.

The Bill carried.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill to the House.

Motion

Greg Fergus moved, — That the Committee resume consideration of the motion, as amended, moved by Francesco Sorbara on Tuesday, February 5, 2019, which read as follows:

That the Standing Committee on Finance undertake a study on open banking and report back to the House on: a) whether open banking could provide benefits to Canadians; b) how potential risks related to consumer protection, privacy, cyber security and financial stability could be managed; c) what steps, if any, the Government should take to implement an open banking system; that the Committee dedicate up to four meetings to the hearing of witnesses in Ottawa; that the Committee examine opportunities to travel to jurisdictions that have implemented a framework for open banking, including the United Kingdom; and that the Committee report its findings to the House no later than Friday, June 7, 2019.

And of the amendment moved by Tom Kmiec on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by adding after the words "open banking system” the following: “d) current data security risk and threats posed by domestic and foreign actors to the private data information of Canadians; e) how best the government can ameliorate such risks and threats posed to the private data of Canadians; f) the appropriateness of government bodies collecting the personal banking information of Canadians; g) the current landscape of the financial services sector in Canada, the major actors, levels of competition, and the sufficiency/stringency of regulations governing financial institutions; h) how the market share of Canada's banking and financial services industry compares to other jurisdictions around the world and how an expansion or concentration of such market share might impact Canadian consumers; i) how the development of new Canadian fintech innovation has been advanced or curtailed by broader government policies including, but not limited to the levels of taxation imposed on small and medium-sized enterprises, corporate welfare, payroll taxes, openness to foreign direct investment, and the retention of skilled labour; j) how open banking could impact the process of applying for a loan or mortgage, and why such processes ought to be improved in Canada; k) how open banking should be prioritized for the current government, considering the Minister of Finance's mandate letter that was given to him by the Prime Minister in 2015 and the various priorities that were outlined for the Minister in this letter; l) what the appropriate level of government regulation over Canadian financial service providers ought to be, considering the history of the Canadian context as well as that of other jurisdictions around the world; m) how the principle of financial transparency latent in the idea of open banking ought to be applied more broadly to the public accounts of the Canadian government;”.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 3.

The debate continued.

At 1:00 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



David Gagnon
Clerk of the Committee