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Minutes of Proceedings

42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 160
Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 1:00 p.m. to 3:21 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Bob Zimmer, Chair (Conservative)

• Steven MacKinnon for Michel Picard (Liberal)
• Karen McCrimmon for Raj Saini (Liberal)
• Hon. Lisa Raitt for Jacques Gourde (Conservative)
• Elizabeth May (Green Party)
• Tracey Ramsey (NDP)
• Erin Weir (Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)
Library of Parliament
• Alexandra Savoie, Analyst
• Maxime-Olivier Thibodeau, Analyst
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

Motion

Peter Kent moved, — That, given the unprecedented nature of the Trudeau II Report, the Committee invite the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to brief the Committee on his report, and that the Committee invite any further witnesses as required based on the testimony of the Commissioner.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Charlie Angus, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Peter Kent, Lisa Raitt — 4;

NAYS: Frank Baylis, Mona Fortier, Steven MacKinnon, Karen McCrimmon, Anita Vandenbeld — 5.

Motion

Charlie Angus moved, — That the Committee invite Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Minister of Finance Bill Morneau, and senior adviser to the Prime Minister and former Chief of Staff to the Minister of Finance, Ben Chin, on account of their intimate connection to the matters at the heart of the report; and that the Committee invite the Clerk of the Privy Council to appear to explain his decision to not share critical Cabinet confidences with the Commissioner, who felt that his investigation was hampered by the refusal.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Charlie Angus, Jacques Gourde, Peter Kent — 3;

NAYS: Frank Baylis, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Mona Fortier, Steven MacKinnon, Karen McCrimmon, Anita Vandenbeld — 6.

Motion

Lisa Raitt moved, — That the Committee request Aaron Wherry, author of “Promise and Peril”, a biography of Justin Trudeau, table all recordings, notes and other materials that he collected during his interviews of the Prime Minister that relate to materials that fall outside of the Order in Council waiving Cabinet confidence in the SNC Lavalin matter so that the Committee can determine whether the Prime Minister breached Cabinet confidence.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Peter Kent, Lisa Raitt — 2;

NAYS: Charlie Angus, Frank Baylis, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Mona Fortier, Steven MacKinnon, Karen McCrimmon, Anita Vandenbeld — 7.

At 3:21 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Michael MacPherson
Clerk of the Committee