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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 3rd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 37

Tuesday, April 20, 2004

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was presented as follows:

— by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan—Shuswap) , one concerning marriage (No. 373-0712).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-11, An Act to give effect to the Westbank First Nation Self-Government Agreement, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources with amendments.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the deferred recorded divisions scheduled to take place later today at the end of the time provided for Oral Questions be taken in the following order:

the motion to refer Bill C-25 to committee before second reading;

the amendment to the motion for second reading of Bill C-30; and

the motion for second reading of Bill C-246.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-11, An Act to give effect to the Westbank First Nation Self-Government Agreement, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

    Group No. 1 — Motions Nos. 1 and 3.


Group No. 1

Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , seconded by Mr. White (North Vancouver) , moved Motion No. 1, — That Bill C-11 be amended by deleting Clause 3.

Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , seconded by Mr. Mark (Dauphin—Swan River) , moved Motion No. 3, — That Bill C-11 be amended by adding after line 13 on page 2 the following new clause:

    “4.1 Despite section 102 of the Agreement, lands acquired by the Westbank First Nation that are contained within the limits of the city of Kelowna, British Columbia, may be transferred to Canada for the purpose of being set apart as lands reserved for Indians under subsection 91(24) of the Constitution Act, 1867, or as reserves within the meaning of the Indian Act for the use and benefit of the Westbank First Nation, only with the consent of the City of Kelowna.”

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Coderre (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada) , seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That Bill C-25, An Act to establish a procedure for the disclosure of wrongdoings in the public sector, including the protection of persons who disclose the wrongdoings, be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 44 -- Vote no 44)

YEAS: 166, NAYS: 69

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Asselin
Augustine
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Bélanger
Bennett
Bergeron
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Brown
Bulte
Byrne
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Cardin
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cotler
Crête
Cullen
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
DeVillers
Dion
Discepola
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Farrah
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallaway
Gaudet
Gauthier
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Guay
Guimond
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilger (Stormont--Dundas--Charlottenburgh)
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
Loubier
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Marceau
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Ménard
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Neville
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Perron
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Plamondon
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rocheleau
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Tremblay
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 166
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bailey
Benoit
Blaikie
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Bryden
Burton
Cadman
Casey
Casson
Cummins
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Doyle
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gallant
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Grey
Hearn
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hill (Macleod)
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Mark
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Mayfield
McDonough
McNally
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Vellacott
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 69
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Augustine
Bigras
Brison
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Grose
Peterson

Accordingly, Bill C-25, An Act to establish a procedure for the disclosure of wrongdoings in the public sector, including the protection of persons who disclose the wrongdoings, was referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Goodale (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That Bill C-30, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 23, 2004, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat) , seconded by Mr. Rajotte (Edmonton Southwest) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-30, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 23, 2004, since the principle of the Bill fails to address the government's record of wasteful spending and does little to tackle the real priorities of Canadians.”.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 45 -- Vote no 45)

YEAS: 99, NAYS: 139

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Benoit
Bergeron
Blaikie
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Bryden
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gallant
Gaudet
Gauthier
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Loubier
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Mayfield
McDonough
McNally
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay
Vellacott
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 99
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Bélanger
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Brown
Bulte
Byrne
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dion
Discepola
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Farrah
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilger (Stormont--Dundas--Charlottenburgh)
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Neville
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 139
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Augustine
Bigras
Brison
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Grose
Peterson

Private Members' Business

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , — That Bill C-246, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (child adoption expenses), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 46 -- Vote no 46)

YEAS: 168, NAYS: 50

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Assadourian
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bailey
Barnes (London West)
Benoit
Bergeron
Bertrand
Blaikie
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Burton
Byrne
Cadman
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Castonguay
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Dion
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duceppe
Duncan
Duplain
Easter
Elley
Epp
Farrah
Fitzpatrick
Folco
Fontana
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gallant
Gallaway
Gaudet
Gauthier
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Harvey
Hearn
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hill (Macleod)
Hinton
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Johnston
Jordan
Keddy (South Shore)
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lastewka
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
Loubier
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Malhi
Maloney
Marceau
Marcil
Mark
Marleau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Matthews
Mayfield
McDonough
McNally
McTeague
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Moore
Murphy
Neville
Normand
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Plamondon
Price
Proctor
Proulx
Provenzano
Rajotte
Redman
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Simard
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St-Julien
Steckle
Stewart
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Tonks
Tremblay
Ur
Vanclief
Vellacott
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
Whelan
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Wilfert
Williams
Wood
Yelich -- 168
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Augustine
Barrette
Bélanger
Bennett
Bevilacqua
Blondin-Andrew
Boudria
Carroll
Catterall
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cotler
Cullen
DeVillers
Eggleton
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Harvard
Jobin
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lee
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Mitchell
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Pratt
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Saada
Scherrer
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St. Denis
Valeri
Volpe -- 50
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Augustine
Bigras
Brison
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Grose
Peterson

Accordingly, Bill C-246, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (child adoption expenses), was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Goodale (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That Bill C-30, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 23, 2004, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

Mr. Bagnell (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. McKay (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance) , moved, — That this question be now put.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, April 21, 2004, at 5:30 p.m.


The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-11, An Act to give effect to the Westbank First Nation Self-Government Agreement, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1 and 3).

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded divisions were further deferred until Wednesday, April 21, 2004, at 5:30 p.m.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Mitchell (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) , — That Bill C-31, An Act to give effect to a land claims and self-government agreement among the Tlicho, the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Government of Canada, to make related amendments to the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources.

The debate continued.

Private Members' Business

At 5:56 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre) , seconded by Mr. Assadourian (Brampton Centre) , Mr. Kenney (Calgary Southeast) and Ms. McDonough (Halifax) , — That this House acknowledge the Armenian genocide of 1915 and condemn this act as a crime against humanity. (Private Members' Business M-380)

The debate continued.

At 6:56 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, April 21, 2004, immediately before the time provided for Private Members' Business.

Emergency Debate

Pursuant to Standing Order 52(10), the House proceeded to the consideration of a motion to adjourn the House for the purpose of discussing an important matter requiring urgent consideration, namely, avian flu.

Mr. White (Langley—Abbotsford) , seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster) , moved, — That this House do now adjourn.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:02 p.m., the Speaker declared the motion adopted.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Finance) — Actuarial Report supplementing the Actuarial Report of the Chief Actuary on the Canada Pension Plan dated December 31, 2000, pursuant to the Canada Pension Plan Act, S.C. 1997, c. 40, s. 96. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-373-83-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

— by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Finance) — Report of the Canada Development Investment Corporation (including Canada Hibernia Holding Corporation), together with the Auditor General's Report, for the year ended December 31, 2003, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-373-471-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

— by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Finance) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2004-2008 and of the Capital Budget for 2004 of the Canada Development Investment Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-373-831-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

— by Mr. Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) , one concerning marriage (No. 373-0713).

Adjournment

At 11:02 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).