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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 47
Tuesday, January 28, 2003
10:00 a.m.
Prayers
Daily Routine Of Business
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:
— Nos. 372-0476, 372-0631, 372-0669, 372-0687, 372-0697, 372-0708, 372-0734, 372-0761, 372-0787, 372-0839 and 372-0861 concerning emergency preparedness. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-57-01;
— No. 372-0636 concerning national parks. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-58-01;
— No. 372-0690 concerning the income tax system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-34-03;
— Nos. 372-0710 and 372-0786 concerning the tax system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-59-01;
— Nos. 372-0782 and 372-0783 concerning the Canadian Armed Forces. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-54-02;
— Nos. 372-0809 and 372-0826 concerning the electoral system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-46-02.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , Bill C-344, An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act (prevention of private hospitals), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , seconded by Mr. Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster) , Bill C-345, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, in relation to its studies on settlement programs, on provincial nominee agreements, on a National Identity Card and on Bill C-18, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, a group comprised of two government members and one member of each of the opposition parties of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration be authorized to travel to St. John's, Halifax, Charlottetown, Fredericton and Québec, and any other city deemed necessary, in January and February 2003, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, in relation to its studies on settlement programs, on provincial nominee agreements, on a National Identity Card and on Bill C-18, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, a group comprised of two government members and one member of each of the opposition parties of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration be authorized to travel to Victoria, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Winnipeg and Toronto, and any other city deemed necessary, in January and February 2003, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0888) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0889);
— by Mr. Jackson (Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound) , one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 372-0890) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0891);
— by Mr. Gouk (Kootenay—Boundary—Okanagan) , two concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Nos. 372-0892 and 372-0893), one concerning marriage (No. 372-0894), two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0895 and 372-0896) and one concerning illicit drug use (No. 372-0897);
— by Mr. Assadourian (Brampton Centre) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0898), one concerning pornography (No. 372-0899) and one concerning Canadian embassies (No. 372-0900);
— by Mr. Doyle (St. John's East) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0901);
— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0902).
Questions on Order Paper
Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-58, Q-83 and Q-86 on the Order Paper.
Government Orders
The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, as reported by the Standing Committee on Health with amendments.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:
- Group No. 1 — Motions Nos. 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9 to 11.
- Group No. 2 — Motions Nos. 13, 14, 16 to 18, 20 to 24, 26 to 30, 32, 33, 36, 39, 40, 44 to 47, 49, 51 and 95.
- Group No. 3 — Motions Nos. 52, 53, 55, 61, 64, 71, 72, 74, 75, 77 and 78.
- Group No. 4 — Motions Nos. 6, 80 to 86 and 88 to 90.
- Group No. 5 — Motions Nos. 92 to 94, 96, 98 to 100 and 103 to 106.
Group No. 1
Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 1, — That Bill C-13 be amended by replacing the long title with the following:
“An Act respecting assisted human reproduction and related research”
Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 2, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing, in the English version, line 15 on page 1 with the following:
“individuals, for families and for society in”
Mr. Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin) , seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island) , moved Motion No. 4, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 1 to 4 on page 2.
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , moved Motion No. 5, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 25 to 28 on page 2 with the following:
“introduced;
(b) an embryo that consists of cells of more than one embryo, foetus or human being; or
(c) a non-human embryo into which any cell of a human embryo, human foetus or human being has been introduced.”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , moved Motion No. 7, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 40 and 41 on page 2 with the following:
“(b) in relation to an in vitro embryo, the original gamete providers and the embryo provider who created the embryo.”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , moved Motion No. 9, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing line 3 on page 3 with the following:
“purpose of creating a human being, and further includes polyspermic embryos.”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) , moved Motion No. 10, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 33 on page 3 the following:
““human genome” means the totality of the deoxyribonucleic acid sequence of the human species.”
By unanimous consent, Mr. Hearn (St. John's West) , seconded by Mr. Borotsik (Brandon—Souris) , moved Motion No. 11, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing line 14 on page 4 with the following:
““Minister” means the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada.”
Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.
The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 Members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.
After three minutes, a quorum was found.
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, as reported by the Standing Committee on Health with amendments;
And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9 to 11).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1.
The question was put on Motion No. 1 and 2, and they were agreed to.
The question was put on Motions Nos. 4, 5, 7, 9 and 10 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.
The question was put on Motion No. 11 and it was negatived.
By unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of the motions in Group No. 3.
Group No. 3
Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 52, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing lines 8 to 10 on page 9 with the following:
“(b) to the extent required by the regulations, make counselling services available to the person;”
Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 53, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing lines 14 to 17 on page 9 with the following:
“(d) in accordance with the regulations, provide the person with the information that the Agency makes available to the public under paragraph 19(i).”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , moved Motion No. 55, — That Bill C-13 be amended by adding after line 27 on page 11 the following new clause:
“16.1 (1) The Agency shall prescribe standarized forms and information disclosures related to the terms, conditions, options and other information relevant to the donation, use and ultimate disposal of human reproductive material for use by all fertility clinics or other parties that obtain human reproductive material for human reproduction or research purposes in accordance with the regulations.
(2) The information referred to in subsection (1) shall specifically include
(a) details on the option to give embryos up for adoption; and
(b) the facts related to what percentage of embryos donated for embryonic stem cell research are likely to produce stem cell lines that would meet the research quality requirements.
(3) All forms and information disclosures shall be approved by Parliament.”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Ms. Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) , moved Motion No. 61, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 21, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 15 the following:
“(3) The Official Languages Act applies to the Agency.”
Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 64, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 24, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 35 on page 15 with the following:
“the professions respecting assisted human reproduction and other matters to which this Act applies, and their regulation under this Act, and respecting risk factors associated with infertility;”
Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 71, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 26, be amended by deleting lines 30 to 33 on page 16.
Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 72, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 26, be amended by deleting lines 10 to 17 on page 17.
Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , moved Motion No. 74, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 32, be amended by replacing lines 34 and 35 on page 18 with the following:
“its powers under section 40, 41 or 42 or any of its powers or duties”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , moved Motion No. 75, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 34, be amended by replacing line 12 on page 19 with the following:
“eligible for reappointment for one additional term of office only.”
Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , moved Motion No. 77, — That Bill C-13, in Clause 39, be amended by adding after line 34 on page 20 the following:
“(4) The Agency shall establish a dispute resolution process, which may include arbitration, to resolve any disagreement which may arise between the Agency, the donors, the licensees and any other relevant parties.”
Motion No.78 was not proceeded with.
Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3.
Statements By Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
Deferred recorded divisions
Government Orders
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division at report stage of Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance without amendment.
The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Reid (Lanark—Carleton) , seconded by Mr. Kenney (Calgary Southeast) , — That Bill C-3, in Clause 15, be amended by replacing lines 41 to 46 on page 9 and lines 1 to 5 on page 10 with the following:
“15. Section 37 of the Act is repealed.”
The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:
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Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , moved, — That Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board Act, be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
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YEAS: 183, NAYS: 69
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Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.
Government Orders
In relation to the consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, and pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker revised the selection and grouping for debate of the motions as follows:
- Group No. 1 — Motions Nos. 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9 to 11.
- Group No. 2 — Motions Nos. 13, 14, 16 to 18, 20 to 24, 26, 27, 40 and 47.
- Group No. 3 — Motions Nos. 28 to 30, 32, 33, 36, 39, 44 to 46, 49, 51 and 95.
- Group No. 4 — Motions Nos. 52, 53, 55, 61, 64, 71, 72, 74, 75, 77 and 78.
- Group No. 5 — Motions Nos. 6, 80 to 86 and 88 to 90.
- Group No. 6 — Motions Nos. 92 to 94, 96, 98 to 100 and 103 to 106.
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, as reported by the Standing Committee on Health with amendments;
And of the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 52, 53, 55, 61, 64, 71, 72, 74, 75 and 77).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 4 (formerly Group No. 3).
Private Members' Business
At 5:44 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights of Bill C-204, An Act to amend the Youth Criminal Justice Act.
Mr. Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands) , seconded by Mr. Goldring (Edmonton Centre-East) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.
Debate arose thereon.
Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.
Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
— by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) — Report on exemptions issued to masters, mates and engineers for the year 2001, pursuant to the Canada Shipping Act, R.S. 1985, c. S-9, sbs. 132(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-239-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)
— by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) — Report on exemptions issued to masters, mates and engineers for the year 2002, pursuant to the Canada Shipping Act, R.S. 1985, c. S-9, sbs. 132(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-239-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)
— by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) — Report on the administration and enforcement of the fish habitat protection and pollution prevention provisions of the Fisheries Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the the Fisheries Act, S.C. 1991, c. 1, s. 11.1. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-325-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)
Adjournment Proceedings
At 6:42 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
Accordingly, at 7:03 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).