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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 22

Tuesday, November 5, 2002

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-0012, 372-0017, 372-0023, 372-0024, 372-0038, 372-0040, 372-0045, 372-0046 and 372-0047 concerning the Steven Truscott case. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-23-01;

— Nos. 372-0232, 372-0235 and 372-0252 concerning stem cell research. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-14-07.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , Bill C-297, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (sale of intoxicating products), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Reid (Lanark—Carleton) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0421);

— by Mr. Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin) , four concerning unborn children (Nos. 372-0422 to 372-0425) and eleven concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0426 to 372-0436);

— by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0437);

— by Mr. Doyle (St. John's East) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0438);

— by Mr. Maloney (Erie—Lincoln) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0439);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0440), one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 372-0441) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0442);

— by Mr. Lastewka (St. Catharines) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0443).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to a legislative committee of Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety.

Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)) for Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to a legislative committee.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Business of Supply

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 31, 2002, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , — That Standing Order 106 be amended

(a) by replacing section (2) with the following:

“(2) At the commencement of every session and, if necessary, during the course of a session, each standing or special committee shall elect a Chair and two Vice-Chairs, of whom the Chair and one Vice-Chair shall be Members of the government party and one Vice-Chair shall be a Member of the Opposition. In the case of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, the Chair shall continue to be a Member of the Official Opposition and the Vice-Chairs shall be Members of the government party. In the case of the Standing Joint Committee on Scrutiny of Regulations, the Co-Chair acting on behalf of the House shall be a Member of the Official Opposition and the Vice-Chairs shall be Members of the government party.”

(b) by inserting the following new section (3):

“(3) When more than one candidate is nominated for the office of Chair or Vice-Chair of a committee, the election shall be conducted by secret ballot as follows:

(a) the clerk of the committee, who shall preside over the election, shall announce the candidates to the committee members present and provide them with ballot papers;

(b) committee members wishing to indicate their choice for Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the committee shall print the first and last name of a candidate on the ballot paper;

(c) committee members shall deposit their completed ballot papers in a box provided for that purpose;

(d) the clerk of the committee shall count the ballots and announce the name of the candidate who has received the majority of votes;

(e) if no candidate has received a majority of votes, a second ballot shall be taken, provided that the candidate with the least number of votes shall be dropped from the second ballot; balloting shall continue in this manner until a candidate receives a majority of votes, at which time the clerk shall destroy the ballots and in no way divulge the number of ballots cast for any candidate.”;

and that the Clerk be authorized to make any required editorial and consequential amendments and that the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs conduct a review of this new procedure before a second application takes place.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 17 -- Vote no 17)

YEAS: 174, NAYS: 87

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Alcock
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Assadourian
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Beaumier
Bélair
Bélanger
Bennett
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Burton
Cadman
Calder
Cannis
Cardin
Casson
Chamberlain
Chatters
Clark
Comartin
Comuzzi
Cotler
Crête
Cummins
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Dubé
Duceppe
Duncan
Eggleton
Epp
Eyking
Fitzpatrick
Fontana
Forseth
Fournier
Fry
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gallaway
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godfrey
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Grose
Guarnieri
Guay
Guimond
Hanger
Harper
Harris
Harvard
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Ianno
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Lee
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
Loubier
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Maloney
Marceau
Mark
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Masse
Mayfield
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McNally
McTeague
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Moore
Normand
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Parrish
Patry
Penson
Perron
Peschisolido
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Plamondon
Proctor
Rajotte
Regan
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Schmidt
Scott
Sgro
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
St-Julien
Steckle
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Telegdi
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Tremblay
Ur
Valeri
Vellacott
Venne
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (North Vancouver)
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams
Yelich -- 174
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Augustine
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chrétien
Coderre
Collenette
Copps
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Farrah
Finlay
Frulla
Goodale
Graham
Harb
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Laliberte
LeBlanc
MacAulay
Macklin
Manley
Marcil
McCallum
McCormick
McLellan
Mitchell
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pratt
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Robillard
Rock
Serré
Shepherd
Simard
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Vanclief
Whelan
Wood -- 87


Pursuant to Order made Monday, November 4, 2002, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mrs. Wayne (Saint John) , seconded by Mr. Hearn (St. John's West) , — That this House condemn the government for continuing to overstretch our military personnel and call on the government to increase spending more than is currently planned, as the Canadian Forces need more money simply to continue operating in a sustainable way.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

-

(Division No. 18 -- Vote no 18)

YEAS: 68, NAYS: 189

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Burton
Cadman
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Cummins
Day
Doyle
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gallant
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Hanger
Harper
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Mark
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
McNally
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Strahl
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Vellacott
Wayne
White (North Vancouver)
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams
Yelich -- 68
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Asselin
Augustine
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Beaumier
Bélair
Bélanger
Bennett
Bergeron
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Bigras
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bourgeois
Bradshaw
Brien
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Cardin
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Chrétien
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Crête
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Fontana
Fournier
Frulla
Fry
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallaway
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Guarnieri
Guay
Guimond
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
Loubier
MacAulay
Macklin
Maloney
Manley
Marceau
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Masse
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Ménard
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Mitchell
Myers
Nault
Neville
Normand
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Parrish
Patry
Perron
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Plamondon
Pratt
Proctor
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Robinson
Rocheleau
Rock
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St-Hilaire
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Stoffer
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Tremblay
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Venne
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wood -- 189

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) , — That Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety, be now read a second time and referred to a legislative committee.

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the Report on the provisions and operations of the Copyright Act, pursuant to the Copyright Act, S.C. 1997, c. 24, s. 50, laid upon the Table on October 3, 2002, be referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) , — That Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety, be now read a second time and referred to a legislative committee.

The debate continued.

Private Members' Business

At 5:53 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-226, An Act to amend the Pension Benefits Standards Act, 1985 (investment criteria).

Ms. Picard (Drummond) , seconded by Mr. Cardin (Sherbrooke) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

— ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament has been authorized to examine the expenditures set out in Parliament Vote 10a of the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) — Report of the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada for the period July 5, 2000 to March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act, S.C. 2000, c. 17, sbs. 71(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-802-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

— by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph—Wellington) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0444).

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:50 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:18 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).