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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 115

Tuesday, November 20, 2001

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Orders in Council concerning certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

-- P.C. 2001-2059, P.C. 2001-2064 and P.C. 2001-2065. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-1-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

-- P.C. 2001-1987, P.C. 2001-2040, P.C. 2001-2055 and P.C. 2001-2056. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-3-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- P.C. 2001-1986, P.C. 2001-2045, P.C. 2001-2046, P.C. 2001-2047, P.C. 2001-2048, P.C. 2001-2049 and P.C. 2001-2076. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-14-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

— P.C. 2001-1989. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-8-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- P.C. 2001-1990 and P.C. 2001-1991. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-18-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

-- P.C. 2001-1984, P.C. 2001-1985, P.C. 2001-1992, P.C. 2001-1993, P.C. 2001-1994, P.C. 2001-1995, P.C. 2001-1996, P.C. 2001-1997, P.C. 2001-2002, P.C. 2001-2003, P.C. 2001-2066, P.C. 2001-2067 and P.C. 2001-2068. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-16-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

— P.C. 2001-2063. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-13-12. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- P.C. 2001-1983 and P.C. 2001-2044. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-5-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

-- P.C. 2001-1988, P.C. 2001-2050, P.C. 2001-2051, P.C. 2001-2052, P.C. 2001-2053, P.C. 2001-2057, P.C. 2001-2058, P.C. 2001-2060, P.C. 2001-2061 and P.C. 2001-2062. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-24-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2),
Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 371-0438, 371-0447 and 371-0448 concerning health care services. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-3-29.

First Reading of Senate Public Bills

Pursuant to Standing Order 69(2), on motion of Mr. Calder (Dufferin--Peel--Wellington--Grey), seconded by Ms. Carroll (Barrie--Simcoe--Bradford), Bill S-22, An Act to provide for the recognition of the Canadian Horse as the national horse of Canada, was read the first time and ordered for second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), four concerning health care services (Nos. 371-0459 to 371-0462) and one concerning child poverty (No. 371-0463).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected for debate Motion No. 2.

Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Paquette (Joliette), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-35 be amended by deleting Clause 5.

Debate arose on Motion No. 2.

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After five minutes, a quorum was found.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later this day, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport), -- That Bill C-10, An Act respecting the national marine conservation areas of Canada, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Burton (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta--South Richmond), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ''That'' and substituting the following:

    “Bill C-10, An Act respecting the national marine conservation areas of Canada, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 10 with the view to ensure that the effected provinces are given explicit veto powers over the creation of marine conservation areas.”.

The debate continued.

Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands), moved the following subamendment, -- That the amendment be amended by adding the following words:

    “and that the Committee report back to the House no later than the first sitting day in 2003.”

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development), -- That Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Canadian Commercial Corporation Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 169 -- Vote No 169)

YEAS: 192, NAYS: 56

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bagnell
Baker
Bakopanos
Beaumier
Bélair
Bélanger
Bellehumeur
Bellemare
Bennett
Bergeron
Bertrand
Bigras
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Boudria
Bourgeois
Bradshaw
Brien
Brison
Brown
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Cardin
Carroll
Casey
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chrétien
Clark
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Crête
Cullen
Dalphond-Guiral
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Dubé
Duceppe
Duhamel
Duplain
Eyking
Finlay
Fontana
Fournier
Fry
Gagliano
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gauthier
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grey (Edmonton North)
Grose
Guarnieri
Guay
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Lavigne
Lebel
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marceau
Mark
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McNally
McTeague
Ménard
Meredith
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Perron
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Rocheleau
Rock
Roy
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Strahl
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Tirabassi
Tobin
Tonks
Torsney
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Venne
Volpe
Wayne
Whelan
Wood — 192
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Bailey
Benoit
Blaikie
Breitkreuz
Cadman
Casson
Chatters
Comartin
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gallant
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Harris
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lill
Manning
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
McDonough
Merrifield
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Vellacott
Wasylycia-Leis
White (North Vancouver) — 56
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Alcock
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bryden
Coderre
Dion
Gray (Windsor West)
Guimond
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Plamondon
Sauvageau
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Wilfert

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division at report stage of Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade with amendments.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Ms. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Paquette (Joliette), -- That Bill C-35 be amended by deleting Clause 5.

The question was put on the Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 170 -- Vote No 170)

YEAS: 85, NAYS: 163

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Cadman
Cardin
Casson
Chatters
Comartin
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Dubé
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallant
Gauthier
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Guay
Harris
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lill
Manning
Marceau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
McDonough
Ménard
Merrifield
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Vellacott
Venne
Wasylycia-Leis
White (North Vancouver) — 85
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bagnell
Baker
Bakopanos
Beaumier
Bélair
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Casey
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chrétien
Clark
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duhamel
Duplain
Eyking
Finlay
Fontana
Fry
Gagliano
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grey (Edmonton North)
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
Lavigne
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Mark
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McNally
McTeague
Meredith
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Strahl
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Tirabassi
Tobin
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wayne
Whelan
Wood — 163
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Alcock
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bryden
Coderre
Dion
Gray (Windsor West)
Guimond
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Plamondon
Sauvageau
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Wilfert

Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs), seconded by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport), moved, -- That Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 171 -- Vote No 171)

YEAS: 146, NAYS: 102

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Baker
Bakopanos
Beaumier
Bélair
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chrétien
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Discepola
Dromisky
Drouin
Duhamel
Duplain
Eyking
Finlay
Fontana
Fry
Gagliano
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
Lavigne
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tobin
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Whelan
Wood — 146
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Comartin
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Doyle
Dubé
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallant
Gauthier
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Grey (Edmonton North)
Guay
Harris
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lill
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Manning
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
McDonough
McNally
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Vellacott
Venne
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (North Vancouver) — 102
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Alcock
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bryden
Coderre
Dion
Gray (Windsor West)
Guimond
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Plamondon
Sauvageau
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Wilfert

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport), -- That Bill C-10, An Act respecting the national marine conservation areas of Canada, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Burton (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta--South Richmond);

And of the subamendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands).

The debate continued.

The question was put on the subamendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.


The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations of Bill S-33, An Act to amend the Carriage by Air Act.

Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs) for Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport), seconded by Mr. Dhaliwal (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That any recorded division requested during the consideration of Private Members' Business on Thursday, November 22, 2001, and Monday, November 26, 2001, be deferred to Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions; and

That Private Member’s Motion M-411, standing in the order of precedence on the Order Paper in the name of Ms. Lill (Dartmouth), be withdrawn.

Private Members' Business

At 4:50 p.m., by unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Moore (Port Moody--Coquitlam--Port Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris--Moose Mountain), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take measures to provide that the Governor General summon only fit, qualified and democratically elected people to fill Senate vacancies for provinces that have legislation providing for the election of Senators. (Private Members' Business M-361)

Debate arose thereon.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, at 2:00 p. m. on Wednesday, November 21, 2001, a Minister of the Crown may introduce a Bill entitled “An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxic Weapon Convention, in order to enhance public safety”.

Private Members' Business

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Moore (Port Moody--Coquitlam--Port Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Bailey (Souris--Moose Mountain). (Private Members' Business M-361)

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Adjournment

At 5:50 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).