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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS
 
Meeting No. 9
 
Wednesday, March 11, 2009
 

The Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics met (videoconference) at 3:38 p.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chair, Paul Szabo, presiding.

 

Members of the Committee present: Kelly Block, Bob Dechert, Earl Dreeshen, Russ Hiebert, Pierre Poilievre, Bill Siksay, Michelle Simson, Paul Szabo, Ève-Mary Thaï Thi Lac and Borys Wrzesnewskyj.

 

Acting Members present: Siobhan Coady for Borys Wrzesnewskyj and Maria Mourani for Carole Freeman.

 

In attendance: Library of Parliament: Alysia Davies, Analyst; Élise Hurtubise-Loranger, Analyst. House of Commons: Gregory Tardi, Parliamentary Counsel (Legal); Rob R. Walsh, Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel.

 

Witnesses: Information and Privacy Commission of British Columbia: David Loukidelis, Commissioner. As an individual: Murray Rankin, Lawyer. Canadian Association of Journalists: Stanley Tromp, Coordinator, Freedom of Information Caucus.

 
Pursuant to Standing Orders 108(2) and 108(3)(h)(iv), Special Report of the Information Commissioner entitled "Report Cards 2007-2008 and Systemic Issues Affecting Access to Information in Canada" referred to the Committee on Thursday, February 26, 2009, and the motion adopted by the Committee on Wednesday, March 4, 2009, the Committee resumed its study on the Access to Information Act.
 

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.

 
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee commenced its study of the Mulroney Airbus Settlement.
 

Borys Wrzesnewskyj moved, — That the Chair present the following resolution to the House at the earliest opportunity: Given that, in accordance with Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the Committee on Thursday, November 22, 2007, the Committee considered the Mulroney Airbus Settlement;

Given the principle of parliamentary privilege is enshrined in Section 9 of the Bill of Rights, 1689, Section 18 of the Constitution Act, 1867, and Section 4 of the Parliament of Canada Act;

Given that witnesses who appeared before the Committee were given assurances that any proceedings would be protected by parliamentary privilege, thereby prohibiting the use of testimony in any proceeding outside of the House of Commons; and

Given that the Senior Counsel, Nancy Brooks, on behalf of the Commissioner of the Commission of Inquiry into Certain Allegations Respecting Business and Financial Dealings Between Karlheinz Schreiber and the Right Honourable Brian Mulroney has requested, by a letter dated March 6th, 2009, leave of the House of Commons to refer in Commission proceedings to testimony that was given before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, as reported on by the Committee in its report of April, 2008;

The House moves that the privileges, powers and immunities of the House of Commons, as provided by Section 18 of the Constitution Act, 1867 and Section 4 of the Parliament of Canada Act, include freedom of speech and debate as set out, among other places, in Section 9 of the Bill of Rights, 1689, which provides “that the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament, ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament”;

That the privileges, immunities and proceedings and all evidence, submissions and testimony by all persons participating in the proceedings of the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics continue to be protected by all the privileges and immunities of this House, as mentioned in the Fourteenth Report (38th Parliament, 1st Session) of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs adopted by the House of Commons on November 18, 2004;

That this privilege prohibits, in a court of law or other proceeding, the tendering or receipt of evidence by way of direct evidence, cross-examination or submissions, of questions asked or statements, submissions or comments made in a parliamentary proceeding; and

That the House of Commons’ privilege of freedom of speech and debate precludes receipt of such transcripts by any other proceeding, including a commission of inquiry, for such purposes.

Debate arose thereon.

 

Bill Siksay moved, — That the motion be amended by adding at the end of the motion, the following: “That the Speaker of the House of Commons be authorized to take such steps as he deems appropriate to defend the privileges of the House of Commons as they may be at issue before the Commission of Inquiry, or in such court reviewing any decision or anticipating decision of the Commission of Inquiry relating to the privileges of the House of Commons, its Members or witnesses”.

 
The Chair ruled the proposed amendment out of order.
 

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

 

At 5:45 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

 



Jacques Maziade
Clerk of the Committee

 
 
2010/01/13 10:25 a.m.