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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 41

Monday, December 9, 2002

11:00 a.m.



The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Whereupon, Mr. Bélair (Timmins--James Bay) , Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order 8.

Prayers

Presenting Reports from Committees

By unanimous consent, Ms. Torsney (Burlington) , from the Special Committee on Non-Medical Use of Drugs, presented the Interim Report of the Committee, “Policy for the New Millennium: Working Together to Redefine Canada's Drug Strategy”. — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-20.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 1 to 19) was tabled.

Private Members' Business

At 11:08 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Health of Bill C-220, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act (genetically modified food).

Mr. Caccia (Davenport) , seconded by Mr. Murphy (Hillsborough) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 57, Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , moved, — That, in relation to the consideration of Government Business No. 9, the debate not be further adjourned.

Pursuant to Standing Order 67.1, the House proceeded to the question period regarding the moving of the closure motion.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 29 -- Vote no 29)

YEAS: 132, NAYS: 92

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes (London West)
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chrétien
Collenette
Copps
Cotler
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Frulla
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Harb
Harvard
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Vanclief
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 132
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bigras
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Brien
Burton
Cadman
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Comartin
Cummins
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Guay
Guimond
Hanger
Harper
Harris
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lebel
Loubier
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
McNally
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 92
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Alcock
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bennett
Bergeron
Bourgeois
Cardin
Coderre
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Discepola
Dubé
Folco
Fontana
Fournier
Fry
Gallaway
Girard-Bujold
Harvey
Karygiannis
Lanctôt
Lincoln
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Ménard
Neville
O'Brien (Labrador)
Paquette
Parrish
Perron
Peterson
Plamondon
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Scott
St-Hilaire
Torsney
Tremblay
Valeri

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, when the question is put on the subamendment to Government Business No. 9, recorded divisions shall be deemed requested on all questions necessary to dispose of the said Government Order and deferred until Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions; and

That after 6:30 p.m. on December 9, 2002, the Chair shall not receive any quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent to propose any other motion.


By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That during the remainder of the debate on Government Business No. 9, any Member, after notifying the Speaker, may divide his or her speaking time into two ten-minute speeches or four five-minute speeches.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development) , — That this House call upon the government to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change; (Government Business No. 9)

And of the amendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“this House call upon the government not to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change until an implementation plan is in place that Canadians understand, setting out the costs and benefits and how the targets are to be reached and until the plan can be agreed to by the provinces.”;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , — That the amendment be amended by adding before the word “costs” the word “detailed”.

The debate continued.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-0147, 372-0338 and 372-0421 concerning the Canada Post Corporation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-1-08;

— No. 372-0384 concerning China. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-47-01;

— Nos. 372-0403 and 372-0592 concerning the Canadian Coast Guard. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-32-04;

— No. 372-0459 concerning transportation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-48-01;

— Nos. 372-0543, 372-0545, 372-0549, 372-0563, 372-0570, 372-0582 to 372-0585, 372-0587, 372-0588 and 372-0597 concerning stem cell research. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-14-17;

— No. 372-0546 concerning the situation in the Middle East. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-24-03.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Caccia (Davenport) presented the Report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association respecting its participation at the Fourth Part of the 2002 Ordinary Session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, held in Strasbourg, France, from September 23 to 27, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-51-03.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville) , seconded by Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , Bill C-330, An Act to provide for the expiry of gun control legislation that is not proven effective within five years of coming into force, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , three concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0751 to 372-0753) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0754);

— by Ms. Sgro (York West) , two concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Nos. 372-0755 and 372-0756) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0757);

— by Mr. Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0758) and one concerning the Canadian Coast Guard (No. 372-0759);

— by Mr. Bellemare (Ottawa—Orléans) , one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 372-0760);

— by Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , one concerning emergency preparedness (No. 372-0761);

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning the situation in the Middle East (No. 372-0762), one concerning pornography (No. 372-0763) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0764);

— by Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , one concerning the Canadian Coast Guard (No. 372-0765) and one concerning the fishing industry (No. 372-0766);

— by Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0767) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0768);

— by Mr. Calder (Dufferin—Peel—Wellington—Grey) , two concerning the Canadian census (Nos. 372-0769 and 372-0770), six concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0771 to 372-0776), two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0777 and 372-0778) and one concerning marriage (No. 372-0779);

— by Mr. Anders (Calgary West) , two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0780 and 372-0781) and two concerning the Canadian Armed Forces (Nos. 372-0782 and 372-0783);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0784) and one concerning marriage (No. 372-0785).

Questions on Order Paper

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the returns to the following questions made into Orders for Returns:

Q-17 — Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) — With regard to the establishment of salmon farm operations in Canada's coastal waters and the requirements of the Fisheries Act and Navigable Waters Protection Act: (a) how many net pen salmon farm operations are located in the coastal waters adjacent to (i) British Columbia, (ii) New Brunswick, (iii) Nova Scotia, (iv) Prince Edward Island, and (v) Newfoundland; (b) what is the location and who is the owner or operator of each of these sites; (c) how many net cages are in operation, what is the weight or level of biomass and what is the annual amount of wastes or debris deposited on an annual basis at each site; (d) how many authorizations or approvals under section 5(1) of the Navigable Waters Protection Act have been issued for net pen salmon farm operations in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); (e) what is the location of each of these authorizations; (f) how many net cages were approved for each of these sites; (g) how many authorizations or approvals under section 5(1) of the Navigable Waters Protection Act have been denied for net pen salmon farm operations in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); (h) what is the location of the salmon farm applications that were denied; (i) how many net pen salmon farm operations have been established without first seeking the authorizations or approvals under section 5(1) of the Navigable Waters Protection Act for operations in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); (j) what is the location of each of these operations; (k) how many Ministerial orders have been issued under section 6 of the Navigable Waters Protection Act with regard to unauthorized salmon farm operations in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); (l) what is the location of each of these operations; (m) how many authorizations or approvals under section 35(2) of the Fisheries Act have been issued for net pen salmon farm operations in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); (n) what is the location of each of these authorizations under section 35(2) of the Fisheries Act; (o) what is the approved weight or level of biomass and the approved annual amount of wastes or debris deposited on an annual basis at each site; (p) how many applications for authorizations or approvals under section 35(2) of the Fisheries Act have been denied for net pen salmon farm operations in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); (q) what is the location of the section 35(2) application for authorizations or approvals under the Fisheries Act for salmon farm operations that were denied; (r) how many net pen salmon farm operations have been established without first seeking the authorizations or approvals under section 35(2) of the Fisheries Act for operations in the coastal waters adjacent to the provinces listed in part (a); (s) what is the location of each of these operations; (t) how many orders under section 37(2) of the Fisheries Act have been issued requiring modifications, restrictions, or the closing of salmon farm operations that could result in harmful alteration to fish habitat, or the deposit of deleterious substances in the coastal waters adjacent to each of the provinces listed in part (a); and (u) what is the location for each site where an order was issued under section 37(2) of the Fisheries Act? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-17.


Q-38 — Mr. Rajotte (Edmonton Southwest) — For each year from 1993 to 2001, what was the total amount billed to the government and its agencies by: (a) Ipsos-Reid and its affiliates; and (b) the law firm, Stewart McKelvey Stirling Scales? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-372-38.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) , seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development) ; (Government Business No. 9)

And of the amendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) ;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) .

The debate continued.

At 8:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 57, the Acting Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the subamendment and, pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate as follows:

    — ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-11, An Act to amend the Copyright Act, without amendment.

Adjournment Proceedings

At 8:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 8:26 p.m., the Acting Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).