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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 3

Wednesday, October 2, 2002

2:00 p.m.



Prayers

National Anthem

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Orders in Council concerning certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

— P.C. 2002-1336, P.C. 2002-1361 and P.C. 2002-1367. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-1-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

— P.C. 2002-1391 and P.C. 2002-1527. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-2-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

— P.C. 2002-1346, P.C. 2002-1347, P.C. 2002-1357, P.C. 2002-1358 and P.C. 2002-1359. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-3-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

— P.C. 2002-1335, P.C. 2002-1337, P.C. 2002-1338, P.C. 2002-1339, P.C. 2002-1340, P.C. 2002-1341, P.C. 2002-1342, P.C. 2002-1343, P.C. 2002-1344, P.C. 2002-1345, P.C. 2002-1360, P.C. 2002-1362 and P.C. 2002-1498. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-4-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)

— P.C. 2002-1350, P.C. 2002-1351, P.C. 2002-1352, P.C. 2002-1483, P.C. 2002-1484 and P.C. 2002-1485. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-5-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

— P.C. 2002-1370. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-7-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

— P.C. 2002-1310, P.C. 2002-1311, P.C. 2002-1462, P.C. 2002-1479, P.C. 2002-1502, P.C. 2002-1503, P.C. 2002-1504, P.C. 2002-1505 and P.C. 2002-1508. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-8-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

— P.C. 2002-1365. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-9-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

— P.C. 2002-1526. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-10-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

— P.C. 2002-1363 and P.C. 2002-1506. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-13-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

— P.C. 2002-1463, P.C. 2002-1486, P.C. 2002-1487, P.C. 2002-1488, P.C. 2002-1489 and P.C. 2002-1490. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-14-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

— P.C. 2002-1375, P.C. 2002-1376, P.C. 2002-1377, P.C. 2002-1378, P.C. 2002-1379, P.C. 2002-1513, P.C. 2002-1514, P.C. 2002-1515, P.C. 2002-1516, P.C. 2002-1517, P.C. 2002-1518, P.C. 2002-1519 and P.C. 2002-1520. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-16-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

— P.C. 2002-1366. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-18-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

— P.C. 2002-1348, P.C. 2002-1349, P.C. 2002-1371, P.C. 2002-1372, P.C. 2002-1373, P.C. 2002-1374, P.C. 2002-1464, P.C. 2002-1465, P.C. 2002-1509, P.C. 2002-1510, P.C. 2002-1511, P.C. 2002-1512 and P.C. 2002-1530. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-22-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

— P.C. 2002-1491, P.C. 2002-1492, P.C. 2002-1496, P.C. 2002-1497, P.C. 2002-1499, P.C. 2002-1500 and P.C. 2002-1501. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-24-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 371-0695, 371-0696, 371-0701, 371-0702, 371-0711, 371-0712, 371-0719, 371-0725, 371-0729 and 371-0730 concerning the Canada Post Corporation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-1-01.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Price (Compton—Stanstead) presented the Report of the Canadian NATO Parliamentary Association respecting its participation at the 2002 Spring Session of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, held in Sofia, Bulgaria, from May 24 to 28, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-50-01.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds—Dollard) presented the Report of the Canadian parliamentary delegation of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie (APF) respecting its participation at the XXVIIIth Ordinary Session of the APF, held in Bern, Switzerland, from July 4 to 10, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-52-01.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Comuzzi (Thunder Bay—Superior North) presented the Report of the Canadian Section of the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 43rd Annual Meeting, held in Newport, Rhode Island from May 16 to 20, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-59-01.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill) , Bill C-201, An Act respecting the protection of employees in the public service who make allegations in good faith respecting wrongdoing in the public service, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa—Vanier) , seconded by Mr. LeBlanc (Beauséjour—Petitcodiac) , Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Canada Health Act (linguistic duality), was introduced, read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 86.1, the Order for second reading of the Bill (previously Bill C-407, 1st Session, 37th Parliament) was added to the bottom of the list of items in the order of precedence on the Order Paper and designated a votable item.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , seconded by Ms. Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) , Bill C-203, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act (Oath or Affirmation of Citizenship), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands) , seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley) , Bill C-204, An Act to amend the Youth Criminal Justice Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill) , Bill C-205, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act (disallowance procedure for statutory instruments), was introduced, read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 86.1, the Order for second reading of the Bill (previously Bill C-202, 1st Session, 37th Parliament) was added to the bottom of the list of items in the order of precedence on the Order Paper and designated a votable item.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph—Wellington) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0012);

— by Mr. Elley (Nanaimo—Cowichan) , two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0013 and 372-0014);

— by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , one concerning the national defence policy (No. 372-0015) and one concerning pornography (No. 372-0016);

— by Mr. Peter MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough, PC) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0017);

— by Mr. Peterson (Willowdale) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0018), two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0019 and 372-0020), two concerning cruelty to animals (Nos. 372-0021 and 372-0022) and one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0023);

— by Mr. Telegdi (Kitchener—Waterloo) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0024);

— by Mr. Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0025);

— by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley) , two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0026 and 372-0027);

— by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0028 and 372-0029) and two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0030 and 372-0031);

— by Mr. Jackson (Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound) , four concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0032 to 372-0035);

— by Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0036) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0037);

— by Mr. Doyle (St. John's East) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0038);

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning the situation in the Middle East (No. 372-0039);

— by Mrs. Ur (Lambton—Kent—Middlesex) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0040) and one concerning pornography (No. 372-0041);

— by Mr. Efford (Bonavista—Trinity—Conception) , two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0042 and 372-0043);

— by Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , one concerning the Canadian Coast Guard (No. 372-0044);

— by Mr. Hearn (St. John's West) , one concerning the Steven Truscott case (No. 372-0045);

— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , two concerning the Steven Truscott case (Nos. 372-0046 and 372-0047);

— by Mr. Pickard (Chatham—Kent Essex) , three concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0048 to 372-0050), two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0051 and 372-0052) and one concerning aboriginal affairs (No. 372-0053);

— by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Aldershot) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0054) and two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-0055 and 372-0056).

Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Pacetti (Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel) , seconded by Ms. Neville (Winnipeg South Centre) , — That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General:

To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.

MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament;

And of the amendment of Mr. Harper (Calgary Southwest) , seconded by Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar) , — That the motion be amended by adding the following:

“And this House regrets to inform Your Excellency that, once again Your advisers have recycled an empty vision, have resorted to grandiose rhetoric and intend to implement expensive programs at a time when Canadians are looking for practical solutions to the challenges we face, including lower taxes and debt, reducing government waste, promoting economic growth and jobs, reforming health care, protecting our sovereignty and strengthening the family.”;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier—Sainte-Marie) , seconded by Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue) , — That the amendment be amended by adding between the words “programs” and “at” the following:

“notwithstanding the jurisdictions of Quebec and the other provinces ”.

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the final paragraph of the Order of September 30, 2002, respecting the take-note debate with regard to Iraq, be amended to read as follows:

That, at the ordinary time of daily adjournment on October 2, 2002 and October 3, 2002, the House continue to sit in order to resume the said debate, provided that, during the said debate, the Chair shall not receive any quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent to propose any motions, and that at 12:00 a.m. during the sitting of October 2, 2002, the debate shall be adjourned and the House shall adjourn and that, at 12:00 a.m. during the sitting of October 3, 2002 or when no Member rises to speak, as the case may be, the motion shall be deemed to have been withdrawn and the House will adjourn.

Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Pacetti (Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel) , seconded by Ms. Neville (Winnipeg South Centre) , in relation to the Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne;

And of the amendment of Mr. Harper (Calgary Southwest) , seconded by Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar) ;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier—Sainte-Marie) , seconded by Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue) .

The debate continued.

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 50(5), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the subamendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 1 -- Vote no 1)

YEAS: 94, NAYS: 154

YEAS -- POUR
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Doyle
Dubé
Duceppe
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Hanger
Harper
Hearn
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Loubier
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
McNally
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay
Vellacott
White (North Vancouver)
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams
Yelich -- 94
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chrétien
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Davies
DeVillers
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Frulla
Fry
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Leung
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Masse
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proctor
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wasylycia-Leis
Wilfert
Wood -- 154

Government Orders

At 6:43 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House resumed the adjourned debate on the motion of Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Bevilacqua (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) , — That this House take note of the international situation concerning Iraq. (Government Business No. 1)

The debate continued.

At midnight, pursuant to Order made Wednesday, October 2, 2002, the debate on the motion was adjourned.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) — Report of the National Capital Commission for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-160-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

— by Mr. Dhaliwal (Minister of Natural Resources) — Report of Atomic Energy of Canada Limited, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-62-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

— by Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2002-06 and of the Capital Budget for 2002 of the Canada Development Investment Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-372-831-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

— by Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa—Vanier) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0057);

— by Mrs. Jennings (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine) , one concerning genetic engineering (No. 372-0058) and two concerning pesticides (Nos. 372-0059 and 372-0060).

Adjournment

At midnight, pursuant to Order made Wednesday, October 2, 2002, the Speaker adjourned the House until later today at 10:00 a. m.