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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 19

Thursday, October 31, 2002

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 79(3), the Speaker read the following Message from Her Excellency the Governor General, presented by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) :

Message on Estimates

Her Excellency the Governor General transmits to the House of Commons the Supplementary Estimates (A) of sums required for the public service of Canada in the fiscal year ending on March 31, 2003, and in accordance with section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867, recommends these Estimates to the House of Commons.

Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “Supplementary Estimates (A), 2002-2003”. — Sessional Paper No. 8520-372-1.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003, were deemed referred to the several Standing Committees of the House as follows:

(1) to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources

Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Votes 1a, 5a, 15a, L20a, 30a, 35a and 40a

Natural Resources, Votes 1a, 10a, 15a, 20a and 30a

Public Works and Government Services, Vote 22a

(2) to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food

Agriculture and Agri-Food, Votes 1a, 10a, 30a and 35a

(3) to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

Canadian Heritage, Votes 1a, 5a, 15a, 40a, 45a, 55a, 60a, 65a, 70a, 75a, 85a, 90a, 95a, 100a, 105a, 125a and 130a

(4) to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

Citizenship and Immigration, Votes 1a, 5a and 10a

(5) to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development

Environment, Votes 1a, 5a, 10a and 15a

(6) to the Standing Committee on Finance

Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, Votes 1a and 10a

Finance, Votes 1a, L10a, 25a and 30a

(7) to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

Fisheries and Oceans, Votes 1a, 5a and 10a

(8) to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Foreign Affairs, Votes 1a, 5a, 10a, 15a, 20a, 25a, L30a, L35a, 38a, 45a, 50a and 55a

(9) to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates

Canadian Heritage, Vote 120a

Governor General, Vote 1a

Justice, Vote 40a

Parliament, Vote 1a

Privy Council, Votes 1a, 15a, 20a, 25a, 35a and 65a

Public Works and Government Services, Votes 1a and 20a

Treasury Board, Votes 1a, 2a, 10a, 15a and 20a

(10) to the Standing Committee on Health

Health, Votes 1a, 5a, 10a, 15a, 20a and 25a

(11) to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

Human Resources Development, Votes 1a, 5a, 10a and 20a

(12) to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology

Industry, Votes 1a, 5a, 20a, 30a, 35a, 45a, 50a, 55a, 60a, 70a, 75a, 80a, 85a, 90a, 95a, 97a, 98a, 100a, 105a, 115a, 120a and 125a

(13) to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Justice, Votes 1a, 5a, 10a, 15a, 30a, 50a and 55a

Solicitor General, Votes 1a, 10a, 15a, 25a, 30a, 35a, 40a, 45a and 50a

(14) to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs

National Defence, Votes 1a, 5a, 10a, 15a and 20a

Veterans Affairs, Votes 1a and 10a

(15) to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs

Parliament, Vote 5a

(16) to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts

Finance, Vote 20a

(17) to the Standing Committee on Transport

Transport, Votes 1a, 10a, 20a, 26a, 27a, 28a, 29a, 30a and 35a

(18) to the Standing Joint Committee on Library of Parliament

Parliament, Vote 10a


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— No. 372-0058 concerning genetic engineering. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-16-02;

— Nos. 372-0059 and 372-0060 concerning pesticides. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-15-02;

— No. 372-0078 concerning the protection of the environment. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-21-01;

— No. 372-0086 concerning the fishing industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-22-01;

— Nos. 372-0112, 372-0113, 372-0114, 372-0122 and 372-0125 concerning stem cell research. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-14-04.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) , seconded by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled “An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety”.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Coderre (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) , seconded by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) , Bill C-18, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled “An Act respecting Canadian citizenship”.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Ms. Bulte (Parkdale—High Park) presented the Report of the Canadian Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) concerning its participation at the 48th Commonwealth Parliamentary Conference, held in Whindhoek, Namibia, from September 6 to 14, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-53-01.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Wilfert (Oak Ridges) presented the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Interparliamentary Group respecting its participation at the Ninth General Assembly of the Asia-Pacific Parliamentarians' Conference on Environment and Development (APPCED) held in Seoul, Korea, from July 10 to 13, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-57-01.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Wilfert (Oak Ridges) presented the Report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Interparliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 23rd General Assembly of the ASEAN Inter-Parliamentary Organization held in Hanoï, Vietnam, from September 8 to 13, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-57-02.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association (OSCE) to the 11th annual session of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe Parliamentary Assembly (OSCE PA), held in Berlin, Germany, from July 6 to 10, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-61-01.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Cadman (Surrey North) , seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , Bill C-281, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Cadman (Surrey North) , seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , Bill C-282, An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

First Reading of Senate Public Bills

Pursuant to Standing Order 69(2), on motion of Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) for Mr. Manley (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , Bill S-2, An Act to implement an agreement, conventions and protocols concluded between Canada and Kuwait, Mongolia, the United Arab Emirates, Moldova, Norway, Belgium and Italy for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion and to amend the enacted text of three tax treaties, was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , seconded by Mr. Saada (Brossard—La Prairie) , moved, — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented on Tuesday, October 29, 2002, be concurred in.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Saada (Brossard—La Prairie) , seconded by Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words after the word “That” with the following:

“the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be referred back to the Committee for the purpose of reconsidering its recommendation and that the Committee report to the House thereon within 15 sitting days.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin) , moved, — That the House do now proceed to the Orders of the Day.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 16 -- Vote no 16)

YEAS: 86, NAYS: 119

YEAS -- POUR
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bergeron
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Chatters
Clark
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Dubé
Duceppe
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Harper
Harris
Hearn
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lill
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
McDonough
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Parrish
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Vellacott
White (North Vancouver)
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams
Yelich -- 86
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes (London West)
Bélanger
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Boudria
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dion
Discepola
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Eggleton
Eyking
Finlay
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Goodale
Grose
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lincoln
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peterson
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Julien
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 119

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , seconded by Mr. Saada (Brossard—La Prairie) , — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented on Tuesday, October 29, 2002, be concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Saada (Brossard—La Prairie) , seconded by Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words after the word “That” with the following:

“the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be referred back to the Committee for the purpose of reconsidering its recommendation and and that the Committee report to the House thereon within 15 sitting days.”.

The debate continued.

Mr. Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster) , seconded by Mr. Fitzpatrick (Prince Albert) , moved the following subamendment, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “15 sitting days ” with the words “one sitting day”.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Business of Supply

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , moved, — That Standing Order 106 be amended

(a) by replacing section (2) with the following:

“(2) At the commencement of every session and, if necessary, during the course of a session, each standing or special committee shall elect a Chair and two Vice-Chairs, of whom the Chair and one Vice-Chair shall be Members of the government party and one Vice-Chair shall be a Member of the Opposition. In the case of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, the Chair shall continue to be a Member of the Official Opposition and the Vice-Chairs shall be Members of the government party. In the case of the Standing Joint Committee on Scrutiny of Regulations, the Co-Chair acting on behalf of the House shall be a Member of the Official Opposition and the Vice-Chairs shall be Members of the government party.”

(b) by inserting the following new section (3):

“(3) When more than one candidate is nominated for the office of Chair or Vice-Chair of a committee, the election shall be conducted by secret ballot as follows:

(a) the clerk of the committee, who shall preside over the election, shall announce the candidates to the committee members present and provide them with ballot papers;

(b) committee members wishing to indicate their choice for Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the committee shall print the first and last name of a candidate on the ballot paper;

(c) committee members shall deposit their completed ballot papers in a box provided for that purpose;

(d) the clerk of the committee shall count the ballots and announce the name of the candidate who has received the majority of votes;

(e) if no candidate has received a majority of votes, a second ballot shall be taken, provided that the candidate with the least number of votes shall be dropped from the second ballot; balloting shall continue in this manner until a candidate receives a majority of votes, at which time the clerk shall destroy the ballots and in no way divulge the number of ballots cast for any candidate.”;

and that the Clerk be authorized to make any required editorial and consequential amendments and that the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs conduct a review of this new procedure before a second application takes place.

Debate arose thereon.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That at the conclusion of the today's debate on the Opposition motion, all questions necessary to dispose of the motion be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Business of Supply

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , in relation to the Business of Supply.

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 21st Report of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, “Securing Progress for Africa and the World: Canadian Priorities for the 2002 G8 Summit” (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-171), presented to the House on Monday, June 3, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-171.

— by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the Fourth Report of the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, “Labelling of Genetically Modified Food and its Impacts on Farmers” (Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-175), presented to the House on Wednesday, June 5, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-175.

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

— by Mr. Marcil (Beauharnois—Salaberry) , one concerning the reorganization of Government (No. 372-0401) and one concerning illicit drug use (No. 372-0402).

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 6:25 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).