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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 089

Wednesday, May 3, 2000

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 362-0138 concerning marriage. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545- 362-28-11;

-- No. 362-0148 concerning sexual orientation. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-21-03;

-- No. 362-0592 concerning genetic engineering. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-87-01;

-- Nos. 362-0654, 362-0678, 362-0723, 362-0729 and 362-0730 concerning immigration. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-19-11;

-- No. 362-0686 concerning the Canadian Forces. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-74-02;

-- No. 362-0705 concerning Katimavik program. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-88-01.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 28th Report of the Committee (Bill C-445, An Act to change the name of the electoral district of Rimouski -- Mitis, with an amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-362-48.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 37 and 38) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. McWhinney (Vancouver Quadra), one concerning marriage (No. 362-1125) and two concerning United Nations (Nos. 362-1126 and 362-1127);

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Douglas), one concerning Leif Erickson (No. 362-1128) and one concerning Chechnya (No. 362- 1129);

-- by Mr. Muise (West Nova), two concerning marriage (Nos. 362- 1130 and 362-1131) and one concerning pornography (No. 362-1132);

-- by Mr. Forseth (New Westminster -- Coquitlam -- Burnaby), one concerning the income tax system (No. 362-1133) and one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 362- 1134);

-- by Mr. Desrochers (Lotbinière), one concerning the labelling of food products (No. 362-1135);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Kent -- Middlesex), one concerning gasoline additives (No. 362-1136);

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), one concerning marriage (No. 362-1137);

-- by Ms. Alarie (Louis-Hébert), one concerning oil products (No. 362-1138);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning breast cancer (No. 362-1139);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning the Department of Human Resources Development (No. 362-1140);

-- by Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), one concerning the labelling of food products (No. 362-1141);

-- by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning marriage (No. 362- 1142).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-94 on the Order Paper.

NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF PAPERS

The Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers P-14 was called pursuant to Standing Order 97(1) and was transferred by the Clerk to "Notices of Motions (Papers)".

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-22, An Act to facilitate combatting the laundering of proceeds of crime, to establish the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada and to amend and repeal certain Acts in consequence, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

Group No. 1 -- Motion No. 1.

Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 2 to 7.

Group No. 3 -- Motions Nos. 8 to 11.

Group No. 1

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-22 be amended by adding after line 10 on page 3 the following new clause:

      "3.1 The persons and entities to which this Act applies shall not transfer to their clients, either directly or indirectly, any costs incurred by them in carrying out their obligations under this Act."

Debate arose on the motion in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-22 be amended by adding after line 47 on page 10 the following new clause:

      "19.1 If an officer decides, on grounds that the officer believes to be reasonable, to exercise any of the powers or perform any of the duties or functions under subsections 15(1) and (3), 16(1) and (2), 17(1) and 18(1), the officer shall record in writing the reasons for the decision."

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-22, in Clause 36, be amended by adding after line 22 on page 17 the following:

      "(3.1) If an officer decides, on grounds that the officer believes to be reasonable, to disclose information under subsection (2) or (3), the officer shall record in writing the reasons for the decision."

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-22, in Clause 55, be amended by adding after line 5 on page 26 the following:

      "(5.1) The Centre shall record in writing the reasons for all decisions to disclose information made under subsection (3) or paragraph (4)(a) or (5)(a)."

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-22, in Clause 56, be amended by adding after line 18 on page 27 the following:

      "(4) In every agreement or arrangement entered into under subsection (1) or (2), there shall be inserted an express condition that each party shall comply with the provisions of this Act dealing with the confidentiality and the collection and use of information."

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-22, in Clause 62, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 33 the following:

      "(1.1) If an authorized person decides, on grounds that the person believes to be reasonable, to enter premises under paragraph (1)(a), the person shall record in writing the reasons for the decision."

Mr. Marceau (Charlesbourg), seconded by Ms. Venne (Saint- Bruno -- Saint-Hubert), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-22, in Clause 63, be amended by replacing line 41 on page 33 with the following:

    "business, profession or activity, and shall record in writing the reasons for the person's belief."

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

By unanimous consent, Motions No. 5, 6 and 7 were withdrawn.

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 2 to 4).

Mr. Abbott (Kootenay -- Columbia), seconded by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), moved, -- That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 1279)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Cadman -- Casey -- Casson -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Konrad -- Lowther -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Muise -- Pankiw -- Penson -- Price -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- Stinson -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Wayne -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 38

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Cardin -- Carroll -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cotler -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dockrill -- Dromisky -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Gruending -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lill -- Limoges -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peric -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pratt -- Proud -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Sauvageau -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Sgro -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stoffer -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- 171

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-22, An Act to facilitate combatting the laundering of proceeds of crime, to establish the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada and to amend and repeal certain Acts in consequence, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 2 to 4).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

Mr. McGuire (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved the following amendment, -- That Motion No. 2 be amended by replacing all of the words after the words "If an officer decides" with the following:

    "to exercise powers under subsection 18(1), the officer shall record in writing reasons for the decision."

Mr. McGuire (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved the following amendment, -- That Motion No. 3 be amended by deleting the following words:

    ", on grounds that the officer believes to be reasonable,"

Debate arose thereon.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage of Bill C-451, An Act to establish an oath of allegiance to the flag of Canada.

Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph -- Wellington), seconded by Mr. Volpe (Eglinton -- Lawrence), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) -- Report of the Canadian Turkey Marketing Agency, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year ended December 31, 1999, pursuant to the Farm Products Marketing Agencies Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-4, s. 30. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-434-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

-- by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) -- Report of the Canadian Broiler Hatching Egg Marketing Agency, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year ended December 31, 1999, pursuant to the Farm Products Marketing Agencies Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-4, s. 30. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-523-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

-- by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) -- Report of the Canadian Egg Marketing Agency, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year ended December 31, 1999, pursuant to the Farm Products Marketing Agencies Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-4, s. 30. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-433-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

-- by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) -- Report of the Chicken Farmers of Canada, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year ended December 31, 1999, pursuant to the Farm Products Marketing Agencies Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-4, s. 30. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-42-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:08 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:24 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).