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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 004

Thursday, September 25, 1997

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Orders in Council approving certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

-- P.C. 1997-556. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-1. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development)

-- P.C. 1997-647, P.C. 1997-648, P.C. 1997-649, P.C. 1997-650, P.C. 1997-651, P.C. 1997-652, P.C. 1997-726 and P.C. 1997-1086. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540- 361-2. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food)

-- P.C. 1997-663, P.C. 1997-664, P.C. 1997-665, P.C. 1997-666, P.C. 1997-667, P.C. 1997-668, P.C. 1997-669, P.C. 1997-676, P.C. 1997-986 and P.C. 1997-1248. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-3. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- P.C. 1997-572, P.C. 1997-573, P.C. 1997-574,P.C. 1997-618, P.C. 1997-866, P.C. 1997-867, P.C. 1997-868, P.C. 1997-869, P.C. 1997-870, P.C. 1997-871, P.C. 1997-872, P.C. 1997-873, P.C. 1997-874, P.C. 1997-875, P.C. 1997-876, P.C. 1997-877, P.C. 1997-878, P.C. 1997-879, P.C. 1997-880, P.C. 1997-881, P.C. 1997-882, P.C. 1997-883, P.C. 1997-884, P.C. 1997-885, P.C. 1997-886, P.C. 1997-887, P.C. 1997-888, P.C. 1997-889, P.C. 1997-890, P.C. 1997-891, P.C. 1997-892, P.C. 1997-893, P.C. 1997-894, P.C. 1997-895, P.C. 1997-1015, P.C. 1997-1016, P.C. 1997-1244, P.C. 1997-1245, P.C. 1997-1246 and P.C. 1997-1247. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

-- P.C. 1997-571 and P.C. 1997-677. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-7. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

-- P.C. 1997-829 and P.C. 1997-847. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-9. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

-- P.C. 1997-554, P.C. 1997-614, P.C. 1997-615, P.C. 1997-670, P.C. 1997-835, P.C. 1997-836, P.C. 1997-852, P.C. 1997-853, P.C. 1997-854, P.C. 1997-855, P.C. 1997-979, P.C. 1997-980, P.C. 1997-981, P.C. 1997-992, P.C. 1997-993, P.C. 1997-994, P.C. 1997-995, P.C. 1997-1104, P.C. 1997-1115, P.C. 1997-1117, P.C. 1997-1118, P.C. 1997-1119, P.C. 1997-1120, P.C. 1997-1121 and P.C. 1997-1126. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-8. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

-- P.C. 1997-555 and P.C. 1997-810. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-18. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

-- P.C. 1997-559, P.C. 1997-560, P.C. 1997-561, P.C. 1997-653, P.C. 1997-654, P.C. 1997-671, P.C. 1997-857, P.C. 1997-858, P.C. 1997-997, P.C. 1997-998, P.C. 1997-999, P.C. 1997-1000, P.C. 1997-1001, P.C. 1997-1002, P.C. 1997-1127, P.C. 1997-1128, P.C. 1997-1129 and P.C. 1997-1130. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540- 361-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

-- P.C. 1997-693, P.C. 1997-694, P.C. 1997-856 and P.C. 1997-996. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-22. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)

-- P.C. 1997-674, P.C. 1997-675, P.C. 1997-716, P.C. 1997-717, P.C. 1997-718, P.C. 1997-719, P.C. 1997-720, P.C. 1997-721, P.C. 1997-722, P.C. 1997-723, P.C. 1997-825 and P.C. 1997-1085. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- P.C. 1997-557, P.C. 1997-558, P.C. 1997-655, P.C. 1997-656, P.C. 1997-657, P.C. 1997-658, P.C. 1997-659, P.C. 1997-686, P.C. 1997-827, P.C. 1997-1108, P.C. 1997-1112, P.C. 1997-1123, P.C. 1997-1124 and P.C. 1997-1125. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-6. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations)

-- P.C. 1997-695. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-5. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

-- P.C. 1997-553, P.C. 1997-660, P.C. 1997-661, P.C. 1997-662, P.C. 1997-794, P.C. 1997-975, P.C. 1997-976, P.C. 1997-1096, P.C. 1997-1103 and P.C. 1997-1122. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-24. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

-- P.C. 1997-1113. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-361-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)


Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Registered Party Return in respect to Election Expenses (General Election only), pursuant to the Canada Elections Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-2, s. 322. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560- 361-567. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Marchi (Minister for International Trade), Bill C-2, An Act to establish the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Old Age Security Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

    His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled "An Act to establish the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Old Age Security Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts".

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Scott (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), Bill C-3, An Act respecting DNA identification and to make consequential amendments to the Criminal Code and other Acts, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

    His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled "An Act respecting DNA identification and to make consequential amendments to the Criminal Code and other Acts".

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) for Mr. Goodale (Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board), seconded by Mr. Marchi (Minister for International Trade), Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Scott (Solicitor General of Canada), Bill C-5, An Act respecting cooperatives was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

    His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled "An Act respecting cooperatives".

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Order 68(2), on motion of Mr. Bellemare (Carleton -- Gloucester), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas), Bill C-201, An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act (oath or solemn affirmation), was introduced, and, pursuant to Standing Order 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bellemare (Carleton -- Gloucester), seconded by Mr. St-Julien (Abitibi), the Bill was read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard), seconded Mr. DeVillers (Simcoe North), Bill C-202, An Act to amend the Canada Health Act (nutrition services), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), Bill C-203, An Act to amend the Agreement on Internal Trade Implementation Act was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay -- Columbia), seconded by Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), Bill C-204, An Act to require that in the advertising and at the opening of a cultural project supported by public money a public acknowledgement of the grant be made, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay -- Columbia), Bill C-205, An Act to provide for parliamentary scrutiny and approval of user fees set by federal authority and to require public disclosure of the amount collected as user fees, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), one concerning the Senate (No. 361-0010);

-- by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan -- Shuswap), one concerning aboriginal affairs (No. 361-0011);

-- by Mr. Jackson (Bruce -- Grey), one concerning nudity (No. 361-0012);

-- by Mr. Bellemare (Carleton -- Gloucester), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 361-0013), one concerning impaired driving (No. 361-0014);

-- by Mr. Morrison (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands), three concerning parental rights (Nos. 361-0015 to 361-0017).

ADDRESS IN REPLY TO THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park), seconded by Mr. Drouin (Beauce), -- That the following Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada:

      To His Excellency the Right Honourable Roméo A. LeBlanc, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
    MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
      We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament;

And of the amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North), -- That the following words be added to the Address:

    ``and this House regrets that your Government is proposing a legislative program that is mired in the past, out of touch with the present, and incapable of leading Canadians with foresight and vigour into the 21st century.'';

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier -- Sainte-Marie), seconded by Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), -- That the amendment be modified by adding after the words ``legislative program'' the following:

    ``that denies the existence of the Québécois people and their culture, that once again reflects the government's centralizing vision by confirming and increasing its presence in areas of provincial jurisdiction such as social programs, health and especially education, and''.

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

ADDRESS IN REPLY TO THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park), seconded by Mr. Drouin (Beauce);

And of the amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier -- Sainte-Marie), seconded by Mr. Gauthier (Roberval).

The debate continued.

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 50(5), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the sub-amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 1)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Brien -- Canuel -- Crête -- de Savoye -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Guay -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Sauvageau -- St-Hilaire -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- 33

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bailey -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Cadman -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Charest -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Cummins -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Elley -- Epp -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Mark -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Pankiw -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Penson -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Solberg -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 222

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Caccia -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Dromisky -- Finestone -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Minna -- Phinney -- Rocheleau -- Speller -- Steckle -- Venne

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Report on the Administration and Enforcement of the Fish Habitat Protection and Pollution Prevention Provisions of the Fisheries Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Act to amend the Fisheries Act and to amend the Criminal Code in consequence thereof, S.C. 1991, c. 1, s. 11.1. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-325. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

-- by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Report on the Administration and Enforcement of the Fish Habitat Protection and Pollution Prevention Provisions of the Fisheries Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1996, pursuant to the Act to amend the Fisheries Act and to amend the Criminal Code in consequence thereof, S.C. 1991, c. 1, s. 11.1. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-325A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

-- by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Report on the Administration of the Atlantic Fisheries Restructuring Act, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Atlantic Fisheries Restructuring Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-14, sbs. 8(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-457. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

-- by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Reports of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-361-671. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Reports of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-361-672. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Report on the administration of the Fisheries Improvement Loans Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Fisheries Improvement Loans Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-22, sbs. 14(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-147. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

-- by Mr. Goodale (Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board) -- Report of the Canadian Wheat Board for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1997, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2). -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-361-697. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Sixteenth Actuarial Report of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions on the Canada Pension Plan, dated September 1997, pursuant to the Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Federal Court Act, R.S. 1985, c. 30 (2nd Supp.), s. 58. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-83. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:47 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).