The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Thereupon, Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order 8.

PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 361-2343 and 361-2351 concerning marriage. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-80EE;

-- No. 361-2349 concerning the Young Offenders Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-45AA.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. McWhinney (Vancouver Quadra), from the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented the 8th Report of the Committee (Bill C-64, An Act to establish an indemnification program for travelling exhibitions, with amendments). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-176.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 93, 96 and 97) was tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was resolved, -- That the 74th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented Wednesday, May 12, 1999, be concurred in.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Ms. Augustine (Etobicoke -- Lakeshore), one concerning immigration (No. 361-2403);

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning impaired driving (No. 361-2404) and one concerning health care services (No. 361- 2405);

-- by Mr. Malhi (Bramalea -- Gore -- Malton -- Springdale), one concerning immigration (No. 361-2406);

-- by Mr. Hubbard (Miramichi), one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 361-2407);

-- by Mr. Cullen (Etobicoke North), one concerning immigration (No. 361-2408);

-- by Ms. Minna (Beaches -- East York), one concerning immigration (No. 361-2409).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-203 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Marleau (Minister for International Cooperation), moved, -- That, in relation to Bill C-78, An Act to establish the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Canada Post Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the report stage of the Bill and one sitting day shall be allotted to the third reading stage of the said Bill; and

That, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time ordinarily provided for government business on the day allotted to the consideration of the report stage and on the day allotted to the third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of the stage of the Bill then under consideration shall be put forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 425)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 132

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Borotsik -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Cadman -- Canuel -- Casson -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Elley -- Epp -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McNally -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Pankiw -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Sauvageau -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Vellacott -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Williams -- 85

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Guay -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Volpe

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C- 78, An Act to establish the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Canada Post Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 15 and 17 to 30).

The Acting Speaker ruled out of order Motions Nos. 24, 25, 27 and 29 in Group No. 2.

Group No. 2

Motion No. 15 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 53, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 29 with the following:

""surviving spouse" in relation to a contributor, means"

Motion No. 17 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 61, be amended by replacing line 19 on page 38 with the following:

"under this Part to the surviving spouse and children of"

Motion No. 18 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 62, be amended

(a) by replacing line 12 on page 40 with the following:

"payable under this Part to a surviving spouse or child,"

(b) by replacing line 24 on page 40 with the following:

"surviving spouse has become entitled under this Part to"

(c) by replacing lines 33 and 34 on page 41 with the following:

"(b) a benefit to which a contributor, surviving spouse or child is entitled under this Part or Part"

Motion No. 19 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 64, be amended

(a) by replacing line 38 on page 42 with the following:

"annuity or an annual allowance, the surviving spouse"

(b) by replacing line 4 on page 43 with the following:

"(a) in the case of the surviving spouse, an immediate"

(c) by replacing lines 10 and 11 on page 43 with the following:

"without leaving a surviving spouse, the surviving spouse is dead or the surviving spouse is not entitled to receive"

(d) by replacing lines 17 and 18 on page 43 with the following:

"died without leaving a surviving spouse, the surviving spouse is dead or the surviving spouse is not entitled to receive"

(e) by replacing line 26 on page 43 with the following:

"(2)(a) or (b), the surviving spouse and children of the"

(f) by replacing line 42 on page 43 with the following:

"1967 of less than five years, the surviving spouse and"

(g) by replacing lines 15 to 17 on page 44 with the following:

"service, the surviving spouse and children of the contributor, in any case where the contributor died leaving a surviving spouse or a child less than"

Motion No. 20 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 65, be amended

(a) by replacing line 29 on page 46 with the following:

"the surviving spouse and children of the contributor"

(b) by replacing lines 37 and 38 on page 46 with the following:

"more years of pensionable service, the surviving spouse and children of the contributor are entitled"

Motion No. 21 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 75, be amended

(a) by replacing line 4 on page 50 with the following:

"the surviving spouse and children of a contributor are"

(b) by replacing line 7 on page 50 with the following:

"surviving spouse except that"

(c) by replacing line 11 on page 50 with the following:

"payment is to be made the surviving spouse is dead"

(d) by replacing lines 17 and 18 on page 50 with the following:

"for died without leaving a surviving spouse or at the time payment is to be made the surviving spouse"

(e) by replacing lines 27 to 29 on page 50 with the following:

"surviving spouse at the time payment is to be made, the total amount shall be paid to the surviving spouse and the children so living apart in"

(f) by replacing line 32 on page 50 with the following:

"stances, or to the surviving spouse or any of the"

(g) by replacing line 37 on page 50 with the following:

"to be made the surviving spouse is dead or cannot be"

(h) by replacing line 39 on page 50 with the following:

"leaving a surviving spouse and at the time the"

Motion No. 22 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 75, be amended

(a) by replacing lines 8 to 14 on page 51 with the following:

"(2) If there are two surviving spouses of a contributor, the share of the total amount to be paid to surviving spouse referred to in paragraph (a) of the definition "surviving spouse "in subsection 3(1) and the share to be paid to the surviving spouse referred to in paragraph (b) of that definition shall be paid as the Minister may direct."

(b) by replacing line 17 on page 51 with the following:

"the share of one or other of the surviving spouses under"

Motion No. 23 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 75, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 42 on page 51 with the following:

"(4) For the purposes of this Part, where a contributor dies and the contributor had been, for a period of not less than one year immediately before the contributor's death, residing with a person of the opposite sex to whom the contributor was not married, the Treasury Board may deem that person to be the surviving spouse of the contributor if, during that period, that person had been publicly represented by the contributor to be the spouse of the contributor, and may deem that person to have become married to the contributor on the day established by that person to the satisfaction of the Treasury Board as being the day on which the representation began.

(4.1) For the purposes of this Part, where a contributor dies and, at the time of death, the contributor was married to a person with whom the contributor had been residing for a period immediately before the marriage and who, during that period, had been publicly represented by the contributor to be the spouse of the contributor, the Treasury Board may deem that person to have become married to the contributor on the day established by that person to the satisfaction of the Treasury Board as being the day on which the representation began."

Motion No. 26 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 75, be amended

(a) by replacing lines 1 and 2 on page 52 with the following:

"(5) A surviving spouse is not entitled to receive an annual allowance if the surviving spouse makes an"

(b) by replacing line 4 on page 52 with the following:

"(6) A surviving spouse may make an irrevocable"

(c) by replacing line 10 on page 52 with the following:

"three months after the surviving spouse is notified of"

(d) by replacing line 14 on page 52 with the following:

"(8) A surviving spouse is not entitled to receive any"

(e) by replacing, in the English version, line 17 on page 52 with the following:

"surviving spouse is found criminally responsible for"

(f) by replacing line 19 on page 52 with the following:

"(9) A surviving spouse is not entitled to receive an"

(g) by replacing, in the English version, line 22 on page 52 with the following:

"Minister that the surviving spouse cannot be found."

(h) by replacing line 25 on page 52 with the following:

"and there are two surviving spouses of the contributor,"

(i) by replacing lines 28 and 29 on page 52 with the following:

"(a) the surviving spouse referred to in paragraph (a) of the definition "surviving spouse" in subsection"

(j) by replacing lines 34 to 39 on page 52 with the following:

"contributor or since having been deemed under subsection (4.1) to have become married to the contributor bears to the total number of years that the contributor so cohabited with the surviving spouses; and (b) the surviving spouse referred to in paragraph (b)"

(k) by replacing lines 2 and 3 on page 53 with the following:

"with the contributor since having been deemed under subsection (4) to have become married to the contributor bears to the total number of"

(l) by replacing lines 5 and 6 on page 53 with the following:

"surviving spouses, either while married or while having been deemed to have been married."

(m) by replacing line 12 on page 53 with the following:

"(12) When one of the surviving spouses referred to"

(n) by replacing lines 17 and 18 on page 53 with the following:

"surviving spouse who died or is not entitled shall be paid to the remaining surviving spouse in addition to"

Motion No. 28 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 76, be amended

(a) by replacing lines 24 to 32 on page 53 with the following:

"surviving spouse of a contributor is not entitled to an annual allowance in respect of the contributor under this Part if that contributor married the surviving spouse or was deemed under subsection 25(4) to have become married to the surviving spouse after having become entitled under this Part to an annuity or annual allowance, unless, after the marriage, or after having been so deemed to have become married, the contributor became or"

(b) by replacing line 39 on page 53 with the following:

"the surviving spouse of the contributor or the children"

(c) by replacing line 5 on page 54 with the following:

"Part by virtue of being the surviving spouse of a female"

(d) by replacing line 16 on page 54 with the following:

"Part by virtue of being the surviving spouse of a female"

Motion No. 30 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 81, be amended

(a) by replacing line 26 on page 57 with the following:

"nor the contributor's surviving spouse or children"

(b) by replacing line 41 on page 57 with the following:

"sion Act, all surviving spouses within the meaning of"

Debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 15 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 17 to 23, 26, 28 and 30, was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), moved Motion No. 16, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 55, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 33 on page 31 with the following:

"set out in an Act of Parliament in respect of that portion.

(1.21) In subsection (1.2) "Act of Parliament" does not include a regulation made under that Act."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Perron (Rivière- des-Mille-Îles), moved Motion No. 38, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 113, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 94 with the following:

"71. (1) The Governor in Council shall, for"

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), moved Motion No. 39, -- That Bill C- 78, in Clause 117, be amended by replacing lines 33 to 36 on page 96 with the following:

"at the contribution rates set out in an Act of Parliament in respect of that portion.

(1.011) In subsection (1.01), "Act of Parliament" does not include a regulation made under that Act."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Perron (Rivière- des-Mille-Îles), moved Motion No. 46, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 167, be amended by replacing line 20 on page 142 with the following:

"80. (1) The Governor in Council shall, for"

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), moved Motion No. 47, -- That Bill C- 78, in Clause 171, be amended by replacing lines 24 to 27 on page 144 with the following:

"contributions rates set out in an Act of Parliament in respect of that portion.

(2.1) In subsection (2), "Act of Parliament" does not include a regulation made under that Act."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Perron (Rivière- des-Mille-Îles), moved Motion No. 54, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 206, be amended by replacing line 20 on page 189 with the following:

"41. (1) The Governor in Council shall, for"

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3 (Motions Nos. 16, 38, 39, 46, 47 and 54).

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C- 78, An Act to establish the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Canada Post Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 3 (Motions Nos. 16, 38, 39, 46, 47 and 54).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 3.

The question was put on Motion No. 16 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 39 and 47, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 38 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 46 et 54, was deferred.

Group No. 4

By unanimous consent, Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 33, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 95.

Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved Motion No. 34, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 95, be amended by deleting lines 20 to 44 on page 75 and lines 1 to 18 on page 76.

By unanimous consent, Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved Motion No. 35, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 96.

Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved Motion No. 36, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 96, be amended by replacing lines 30 to 47 on page 79 and lines 1 to 28 on page 81 with the following:

"44.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), moved Motion No. 37, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 28 on page 81 the following new clause:

"96.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modifications as the circumstances require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 45."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), moved Motion No. 41, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 151.

Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved Motion No. 42, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 151, be amended by deleting lines 31 to 48 on page 129 and lines 1 to 27 on page 130.

By unanimous consent, Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), moved Motion No. 43, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 152.

Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved Motion No. 44, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 152, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 45 on page 134 and lines 1 to 11 on page 136 with the following:

"55.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), moved Motion No. 45, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 19 on page 136 the following new clause:

"152.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modification as the circumstance require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 56."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), moved Motion No. 49, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 198.

Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved Motion No. 50, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 198, be amended by deleting lines 39 to 46 on page 180 and lines 1 to 38 on page 181.

By unanimous consent, Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), moved Motion No. 51, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 199.

Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved Motion No. 52, -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 199, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 46 on page 185 and lines 1 to 17 on page 187 with the following:

"29.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors."

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), moved Motion No. 53, -- That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 25 on page 187 the following new clause:

"199.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modification as the circumstance require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 30."

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 33 to 37, 41 to 45, 49 to 53).

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Acting Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on Motions Nos. 33, 35, 41, 43, 49 and 51 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 37 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 45 and 53, was deferred.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of C-78, An Act to establish the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Canada Post Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations, with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères -- Les-Patriotes), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 9 to 13 on page 4 with the following:

"(4) Where the Minister proposes to make changes to pension plan design or funding with respect to a pension plan created under an Act referred to in paragraph 4(1)(a), the Minister shall consult the Pension Management Board established by the Act that created the plan.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 426)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Anders -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Brison -- Cadman -- Canuel -- Casson -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Epp -- Fournier -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McDonough -- McNally -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Muise -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Solomon -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Wayne -- Williams -- 80

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 131

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Finlay -- Gagnon -- Grose -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Venne -- Volpe

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 5 to 7, 14, 31, 40 and 48 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 17 on page 5 with the following:

"and ethical investment policies, standards and proce-"

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 427)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Canuel -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Fournier -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- McDonough -- Mercier -- Nystrom -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Proctor -- Solomon -- Stoffer -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Vautour -- 40

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finestone -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Lincoln -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nunziata -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Pratt -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 169

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Finlay -- Gagnon -- Grose -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Venne -- Volpe

Accordingly, Motion No. 12 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 3 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 18 on page 5 with the following:

"dures for each fund that the Board manages with specific instructions that the fund shall not invest in any industry that is or may be associated with

(i) pollution or environmental degradation,

(ii) labour standards and practices which are inferior to those required by law in this country,

(iii) any practice or activity that may result in the elimination or contracting-out of the jobs of members of the plan, or

(iv) any aspect of the sale, manufacture, or promotion of tobacco or tobacco products."

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 428)
YEAS: 40, NAYS: 169. (See list under Division No. 427)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 4 of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Mark (Dauphin -- Swan River), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 18 on page 5 the following:

"(a.1) establish contact with the actuary or actuaries of each fund that the Board manages and maintain that contact on an on- going basis;"

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 429)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Anders -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Brison -- Cadman -- Casson -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Doyle -- Earle -- Epp -- Gilmour -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lill -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McDonough -- McNally -- Meredith -- Muise -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Power -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Solomon -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Wayne -- 53

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 157

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Finlay -- Gagnon -- Grose -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Venne -- Volpe

Accordingly, Motion No. 11 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 8 of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Mark (Dauphin -- Swan River), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 10, be amended by adding after line 29 on page 7 the following:

"(1.1) A copy of the appointment of a chairperson by the Minister under paragraph (1)(a) shall be laid before each House of Parliament on any of the next 15 days during which that House is sitting."

The question was put on Motion No. 8 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 430)
YEAS: 53, NAYS: 157. (See list under Division No. 429)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 9 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 9 on page 15 the following new clause:

"27.1 The Auditor General of Canada shall be the primary auditor of the Public Sector Pension Investment Board."

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 431)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 10 and 13 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 32 of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Mark (Dauphin -- Swan River), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 90, be amended by adding after line 31 on page 69 the following:

"(3.1) a copy of every appointment made by the Governor in Council in accordance with paragraph (3)(a) or (c) shall be laid before each House of Parliament on any of the next 15 days during which that House is sitting."

The question was put on Motion No. 32 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 432)
YEAS: 53, NAYS: 157. (See list under Division No. 429)

Group No. 2

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 15 of Mr. Lowther (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 53, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 29 with the following:

""surviving spouse" in relation to a contributor, means"

The question was put on Motion No. 15 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 433)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Anders -- Benoit -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Cadman -- Casson -- Doyle -- Epp -- Gilmour -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Konrad -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Matthews -- McNally -- McTeague -- Meredith -- Nunziata -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Steckle -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Vellacott -- Wappel -- Wayne -- 36

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nystrom -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Solomon -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Stoffer -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 174

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Finlay -- Gagnon -- Grose -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Venne -- Volpe

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 17 to 23, 26, 28 and 30 were also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 3

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 16 of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 55, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 33 on page 31 with the following:

"set out in an Act of Parliament in respect of that portion.

(1.21) In subsection (1.2) "Act of Parliament" does not include a regulation made under that Act."

The question was put on Motion No. 16 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 434)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 39 and 47 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 38 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Perron (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 113, be amended by replacing line 9 on page 94 with the following:

"71. (1) The Governor in Council shall, for"

The question was put on Motion No. 38 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 435)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 46 and 54 were also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 4

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 33 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 95.

The question was put on Motion No. 33 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 436)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 34 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 95, be amended by deleting lines 20 to 44 on page 75 and lines 1 to 18 on page 76.

The question was put on Motion No. 34 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 437)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 35 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 96.

The question was put on Motion No. 35 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 438)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 36 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 96, be amended by replacing lines 30 to 47 on page 79 and lines 1 to 28 on page 81 with the following:

"44.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors."

The question was put on Motion No. 36 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 439)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Brison -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Doyle -- Earle -- Hardy -- Harvey -- Herron -- Laliberte -- Lill -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McDonough -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Power -- Proctor -- Solomon -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Vautour -- Wayne -- 26

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Cadman -- Calder -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casson -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finestone -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- Lincoln -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nunziata -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Speller -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 182

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Finlay -- Gagnon -- Grose -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Venne -- Volpe

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 37 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 28 on page 81 the following new clause:

"96.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modifications as the circumstances require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 45."

The question was put on Motion No. 37 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 440)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 45 and 53 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 41 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 151.

The question was put on Motion No. 41 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 441)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 42 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 151, be amended by deleting lines 31 to 48 on page 129 and lines 1 to 27 on page 130.

The question was put on Motion No. 42 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 442)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 43 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 152.

The question was put on Motion No. 43 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 443)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 44 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 152, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 45 on page 134 and lines 1 to 11 on page 136 with the following:

"55.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors."

The question was put on Motion No. 44 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 444)
YEAS: 26, NAYS: 182. (See list under Division No. 439)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 49 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 198.

The question was put on Motion No. 49 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 445)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 50 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 198, be amended by deleting lines 39 to 46 on page 180 and lines 1 to 38 on page 181.

The question was put on Motion No. 50 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 446)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 51 of Mr. Epp (Elk Island), seconded by Ms. Meredith (South Surrey -- White Rock -- Langley), -- That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 199.

The question was put on Motion No. 51 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 447)
YEAS: 80, NAYS: 131. (See list under Division No. 426)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 52 of Mr. Martin (Winnipeg Centre), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), -- That Bill C-78, in Clause 199, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 46 on page 185 and lines 1 to 17 on page 187 with the following:

"29.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors."

The question was put on Motion No. 52 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 448)
YEAS: 26, NAYS: 182. (See list under Division No. 439)

Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division--Vote N^o 449)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges --  (Windsor -- St. Clair) -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 122

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Anders -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Brison -- Cadman -- Calder -- Canuel -- Casson -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- Doyle -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Earle -- Epp -- Fournier -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lill -- Lowther -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McDonough -- McNally -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Solomon -- Steckle -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Ur -- Vautour -- Vellacott -- Wappel -- Wayne -- 85

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bellehumeur -- Brien -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Cardin -- Chan -- Comuzzi -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Finlay -- Gagnon -- Grose -- Guay -- Lefebvre -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- St. Denis -- St-Hilaire -- Szabo -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Venne -- Volpe

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That at the conclusion of today's debate on Bill C-260, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act, all questions necessary to dispose of the said motion for second reading shall be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, May 25, 1999, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:18, pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cadman (Surrey North), seconded by Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), -- That Bill C-260, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

Mr. Knutson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister), seconded by Ms. Carroll (Barrie -- Simcoe -- Bradford), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

"Bill C-260, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act, be not now read a second time but be read a second time this day six months hence."

Debate arose thereon.

QUORUM

The attention of the Acting Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After nine minutes, a quorum was found.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cadman (Surrey North), seconded by Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), -- That Bill C-260, An Act to amend the Young Offenders Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights;

And of the amendment of Mr. Knutson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister), seconded by Ms. Carroll (Barrie -- Simcoe -- Bradford).

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question was deemed put on the motion and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, May 25, 1999, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

Messages were received from the Senate as follows:

-- ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act and the Canada Shipping Act to enable Canada to implement the Agreement for the Implementation of the Provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 Relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks and other international fisheries treaties or arrangements, without amendment.

-- ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-49, An Act providing for the ratification and the bringing into effect of the Framework Agreement on First Nation Land Management, with the following amendments:

1. Page 15, clause 28: Replace line 25 in the English version with the following:

``other first nation community purposes.''

2. Replace lines 42 to 43 with the following:

"first nation shall apply the rules set out in the Expropriation Act, with such modifications as the circumstances require.".

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) -- Actuarial Report (including Cost Certificate) on the Pension Plan for Federally Appointed Judges for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1998, pursuant to the Public Pensions Reporting Act, R. S. 1985, c. 13 (2nd Supp.), sbs. 9(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-520. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Keyes (Hamilton West), one concerning the former Yugoslavia (No. 361-2410);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), six concerning the airline industry (Nos. 361-2411 to 361-2416) and three concerning aboriginal affairs (Nos. 361-2417 to 361-2419).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:02 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:07 p.m., the Acting Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).