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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 221

Tuesday, May 4, 1999

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 361-2311 and 361-2313 concerning the Divorce Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-34U.


The Speaker laid upon the Table, -- Report of the Commissioner of Official Languages for the year 1998, pursuant to the Official Languages Act, R. S. 1985, c. 31 (4th supp.), s. 66.

-- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-301A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 108(4)(b), permanently referred to the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages)

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard) presented the Report of the Canadian parliamentary delegation of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie (APF) respecting its participation at the Political Committee meeting held in Cairo, Egypt, on February 23 and 24, 1999. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-361-52M.


Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Ms. Bulte (Parkdale -- High Park) presented the Report of the Canadian Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) concerning its participation at the 48th Annual Commonwealth Seminar, held in Westminster, London, from March 2 to 13, 1999. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-361-53J.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Ms. Guarnieri (Mississauga East), from the the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities, presented the 4th Report of the Committee (Beyond the Numbers: The Future of the Social Insurance Number System in Canada). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-163.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 45, 47 to 51, 53 and 55) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), two concerning the income tax system (Nos. 361-2357 and 361-2358);

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning the mistreatment of animals (No. 361-2359);

-- by Mr. Asselin (Charlevoix), one concerning airport security (No. 361-2360);

-- by Mr. St-Julien (Abitibi -- Baie-James -- Nunavik), one concerning housing policy (No. 361-2361);

-- by Mr. Mark (Dauphin -- Swan River), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 361-2362), one concerning the Port of Churchill (No. 361-2363) and one concerning the Senate (No. 361-2364);

-- by Mr. Sekora (Port Moody -- Coquitlam -- Port Coquitlam), one concerning the former Yugoslavia (No. 361-2365).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-71, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 16, 1999, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis-et Chutes-de-la-Chaudière), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-71, in Clause 4, be amended by deleting lines 13 to 43 on page 3 and line 1 on page 4.

Debate arose on Motion No. 1.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-71, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 16, 1999, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments;

And of Motion No. 1.

The debate continued on Motion No. 1.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, May 5, 1999, at the expiry of the time provided for Governement Orders.


The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-66, An Act to amend the National Housing Act and the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations, without amendment;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 7 to 10, 13 to 24 and 35).

Group No. 2

Motion No. 7 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 9 with the following:

      ``(3) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 8 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 17 on page 10 with the following:

    ``person who is a builder of rental housing projects on reserves, as defined in the Indian Act or that is a non-profit corporation or a cooperative association is unable to obtain a loan described in''

Motion No. 9 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 28 on page 10 with the following:

      ``(2) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 10 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 4, be amended by adding after line 44 on page 10 the following:

      ``(3) The Corporation may only make a loan, contribution or forgive an amount under subsection (1) for rental housing projects being built or owned by a non-profit corporation or cooperative association or for housing projects on reserves, as defined in the Indian Act.''

Motion No. 13 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 9, be amended by replacing line 5 on page 13 with the following:

      ``(2) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 14 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 11, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 36 on page 13 with the following:

      ``(2) Paragraph 75(2)(a) of the Act is replaced by the following:
      (a) pursuant to any of paragraphs (1)(a) to (f) or paragraph (1)(h) or (j), except with the approval of the Minister; or''

Motion No. 15 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing line 20 on page 14 with the following:

      ``(2) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 16 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing lines 3 to 7 on page 15 with the following:

    ``and develop land for a low-rental housing project or to construct or acquire and operate a low-rental housing''

Motion No. 17 of Mr. Ménard (Hochelaga -- Maisonneuve), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau -- Mirabel), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing lines 13 to 15 on page 15 with the following:

      ``79. The Corporation may, pursuant to agreements made between the Government of Canada and the government of any province, undertake jointly with the government of the province or any agency thereof or with any public housing''

Motion No. 18 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing line 35 on page 15 with the following:

      ``(2) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 19 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 16, be amended by replacing line 28 on page 16 with the following:

      ``(4) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 20 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 17 with the following:

    ``projects owned by public housing agencies, as defined in section 78, non-profit corporations or cooperative associations, and may forgive amounts owing on''

Motion No. 21 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 17 with the following:

      ``(2) The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 22 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 21.

Motion No. 23 of Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 23, be amended by replacing line 5 on page 18 with the following:

      ``99.2 The Corporation may, subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, determine the''

Motion No. 24 of Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), seconded by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 24, be amended by deleting lines 16 to 18 on page 19.

Motion No. 35 of Mr. Ménard (Hochelaga -- Maisonneuve), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau -- Mirabel), -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 34, be amended by adding after line 37 on page 21 the following:

      ``(3) The Corporation may not exercise any of its powers or functions under this section within the territorial limits of a province without having first obtained the agreement of the government of the province.''

Debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That, during the present debate, all report stage motions on Bill C-66, An Act to amend the National Housing Act and the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, be deemed moved and seconded and recorded divisions be deemed requested.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-66, An Act to amend the National Housing Act and the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations, without amendment;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 7 to 10, 13 to 24 and 35).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That, in relation to its examination of tax equity for Canadian families, the eight members of the Sub-committee on Tax Equity for Canadian Families with Dependent Children of the Standing Committee on Finance be authorized to travel to Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Halifax and Montreal during the period May 10 to 14, 1999, to hold public hearings and that the necessary staff do accompany the Sub-committee.


By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That ten members and the necessary staff of the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations travel to Vancouver, Lake Williams and Bella Coola, British Columbia, from May 11 to 14, 1999, in order to examine Canadian forest management practices and to hold public hearings with respect to this matter as an international trade issue.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-66, An Act to amend the National Housing Act and the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations, without amendment;

And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 7 to 10, 13 to 24 and 35).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question was deemed put on Motion No. 7 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 9, 13, 15, 18, 19, 21, and 23, was deferred.

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question was deemed put on Motions Nos. 8, 10, 14, 16, 17, 20, 22, 24 and 35 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

Group No. 3

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 7.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 12, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 8.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 25, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 25.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 27, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 26.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 28, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 27.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 29, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 28.

Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta -- South Richmond), moved Motion No. 30, -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 29, be amended by replacing line 25 on page 20 with the following:

    ``branches in any part of Canada and employ agents in any part of Canada.''

Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta -- South Richmond), moved Motion No. 31, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 30.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 32, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 31.

Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna), seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta -- South Richmond), moved Motion No. 33, -- That Bill C-66 be amended by deleting Clause 33.

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 34, -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 34, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 37 on page 21 with the following:

    ``or a province.''

Mrs. Dockrill (Bras D'Or -- Cape Breton), seconded by Ms. Vautour (Beauséjour -- Petitcodiac), moved Motion No. 36, -- That Bill C-66, in Clause 38, be amended by replacing lines 26 to 29 on page 22 with the following:

    ``pealed by this Act.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3 (Motions Nos. 11, 12, 25, 27 to 34 and 36).

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the Parliament and Crown Agencies should be subject to scrutiny under the Access to Information Act. (Private Members' Business M-2)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Jordan (Leeds -- Grenville), one concerning the public pension system (No. 361-2366);

-- by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph -- Wellington), one concerning the former Yugoslavia (No. 361-2367).

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:27 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).