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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 186

Monday, March 1, 1999

11:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Ms. Lill (Dartmouth), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved,

-- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should restore full multi-year funding to the CBC, sufficient to meet its stated public service goals. (Private Members' Business M-432)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That, in relation to Bill C-49, An Act providing for the ratification and the bringing into effect of the Framework Agreement on First Nation Land Management, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the report stage of the Bill and one sitting day shall be allotted to the third reading stage of the said Bill; and

That, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on the day allotted to the consideration of the report stage and on the day allotted to the third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of the stage of the Bill then under consideration shall be put forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 319)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 127

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anders -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Brien -- Brison -- Cadman -- Crête -- Cummins -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Doyle -- Duceppe -- Earle -- Epp -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Jones -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Lalonde -- Lill -- Loubier -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McDonough -- Meredith -- Obhrai -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Power -- Price -- Proctor -- Ritz -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- St-Jacques -- Strahl -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 67

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Byrne -- Cardin -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grose -- Karygiannis -- Laurin -- Longfield -- Marceau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Mercier -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Perron -- Sekora -- Steckle -- St-Hilaire -- Wappel

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-49, An Act providing for the ratification and the bringing into effect of the Framework Agreement on First Nation Land Management, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development with an amendment;

And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1, 6 and 7).

Group No. 1

Motion No. 1 of Mr. Scott (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Konrad (Prince Albert), -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 39 and 40 on page 2 with the following:

    ``ratified and will be brought into effect in accordance with its provisions for any band on the addition of the name of that band to the schedule in accordance with section 45.''

Motion No. 6 of Mr. Scott (Skeena), seconded by Mr Konrad (Prince Albert), -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 45, be amended by replacing line 16 on page 22 with the following:

    ``so signed, that a land code has been developed and adopted in accordance with this Act and that the governing bodies of neighbouring jurisdictions have confirmed in writing that consultations respecting the land code have been completed in accordance with the laws of the province in which the first nation land, for which the land code has been adopted, is situated.''

Motion No. 7 of Mr. Scott (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Konrad (Prince Albert), -- That Bill C-49, in the schedule, be amended by deleting items 1 to 14 on page 24.

Debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 79(3), the Speaker read a Message from His Excellency the Governor General, presented by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board).

Message on Estimates

    His Excellency the Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Main Estimates of sums required for the service of Canada for the fiscal year ending on March 31, 2000, and in accordance with section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867, recommends these Estimates to the House of Commons.

Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``1999-2000 Estimates, Parts I and II: The Government Expenditure Plan and Main Estimates''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8520-361-167.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 361-1497 concerning the nuclear industry. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-88B;

-- Nos. 361-1601, 361-1769, 361-1862 and 361-1863 concerning the Senate. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-26G;

-- No. 361-1677 concerning the Kurdish situation in the Middle East. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-107;

-- No. 361-1712 concerning Canadian foreign policy. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-108;

-- No. 361-1744 concerning government spending. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-109;

-- Nos. 361-1902 and 361-1903 concerning the Canada Pension Plan.

-- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-5P.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 58th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

      The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Member be added to the list of Associate Members of the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities:

Eric Lowther

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings was tabled.

Motions

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(6), Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development), moved, -- That the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, laid upon the Table earlier today, be referred to the several Standing Committees of the House as follows:

-- to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development

    Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, L20, L25, L30, 35, 40, 45 and 50

-- to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food

    Agriculture and Agri-Food, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25

-- to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

    Canadian Heritage, Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 130 and 135
    Privy Council, Votes 30 and 35

-- to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

    Citizenship and Immigration, Votes 1, 5, 10 and 15

-- to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development

    Environment, Votes 1, 5, 10 and 15
    Privy Council, Vote 40

-- to the Standing Committee on Finance

    Finance, Votes 1, 5, L10, L15, 20, 35 and 40
    National Revenue, Votes 1, 5 and 10

-- to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

    Fisheries and Oceans, Votes 1, 5 and 10

-- to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

    Foreign Affairs, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, L35, L40, 45, 50, 55 and 60

-- to the Standing Committee on Health

    Health, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25

-- to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

    Human Resources Development, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 35

-- to the Standing Committee on Industry

    Industry, Votes 1, 5, L10, L15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115 and 120

-- to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

    Justice, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50
    Privy Council, Vote 50
    Solicitor General, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50

-- to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs

    National Defence, Votes 1, 5 and 10
    Veterans Affairs, Votes 1, 5 and 10

-- to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations

    Canadian Heritage, Vote 125
    Governor General, Vote 1
    Natural Resources, Votes 1, 5, L10, 15, 20 and 25
    Parliament, Vote 1
    Privy Council, Votes 1, 5, 10, 45 and 55
    Public Works and Government Services, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30
    Treasury Board, Votes 1, 2, 5, 10, 15 and 20

-- to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs

    Parliament, Vote 5
    Privy Council, Vote 20

-- to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts

    Finance, Votes 25 and 30

-- to the Standing Committee on Transport

    Privy Council, Vote 15
    Transport, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 35

-- to the Standing Joint Committee on Library of Parliament

    Parliament, Vote 10

-- to the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages

    Privy Council, Vote 25

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


By unanimous consent, Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Folco (Laval West), moved, -- That the 58th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. White (North Vancouver), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 361-2062);

-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Kent -- Middlesex), two concerning gasoline additives (Nos. 361-2063 and 361-2064);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning human rights in Indonesia (No. 361-2065).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-84 and Q-144 on the Order Paper.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-154 -- Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Douglas) -- In the previous five fiscal years, and to date in this fiscal year, (a) what has been the cost to Canada of association with regional Development Banks in the following categories: (i) any annual dues by the way of membership or association, (ii) any contributions to loans or so-called rescue packages to foreign nations, (iii) any contributions to specific bilateral or multilateral development projects and, if so, to which ones, and (iv) any other costs incurred for any other purposes; (b) what has been the source of this funding (e.g. annual revenue, foreign loans); and (c) in each case, which departmental votes have been the source of payments?

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-361-154.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-49, An Act providing for the ratification and the bringing into effect of the Framework Agreement on First Nation Land Management, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development with an amendment;

And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1, 6 and 7).

Debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 6 and 7, was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Debien (Laval East), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 14 on page 5 with the following:

    ``(d) any other relevant matter set out in section 17(2.1).''

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Debien (Laval East), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 17, be amended by adding after line 43 on page 9 the following:

      ``(1.1) The general rules and procedures must provide for benefits, rights and privileges of the parties in cases of breakdown of marriage, that are at least equivalent to those set out in subsection 17(2.1).''

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Debien (Laval East), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 17, be amended by adding after line 5 on page 10 the following:

      ``(2.1) Until the general rules and procedures are incorporated into the land code or a first nation law containing the general rules and procedures is enacted under subsection (2) the following provisions applies:
    (a) Each spouse in a marriage is entitled to an individed one half interest in the matrimonial home and the certificate of possession, notice of entitlement, notice of entitlement issued, or such other evidence of entitlement to possession of the land upon which sits the matrimonial home as may exist from time to time when
      (i) a separation agreement;
      (ii) a declaration by the court on the application of either party that the parties have separated and there is no possibility of reconciliation
      (iii) an order for dissolution of marriage or judicial separation; or
      (iv) an order declaring the marriage null and void respecting the marriage is first made.
    (b) An interest under paragraph (a) is subject to a marriage agreement or a separation agreement.
    (c) This section applies to a marriage entered into before or after this section comes into force.
    (d) A ``matrimonial home'' is a home on reserve and the land on which it sits, in which one or both spouses has an interest and which has been ordinarily used by a spouse or a minor child of either spouse as a home within the two years before the date of an application under this section.
    (e) For the purpose of this Act, a ``marriage agreement'' is a written agreement made before a marriage between two people which deals with real or personal property and/or maintenance between them during and on breakup of their marriage. The separation agreement must be signed by each party and witnessed by an adult person who is not related to either party.
    (f) For the purpose of this Act, a ``separation agreement'' is a written agreement made between two spouses who have separated from each other, which deals with real or personal property and/or maintenance between them during and on breakup of their marriage, and in particular which deals with the right to occupy or to divide the matrimonial home. The separation agreement must be signed by each spouse and witnessed by an adult person who is not related to either spouse.
    (g) An order under this section is for may be for interim relief pending determination of the rights to the property of the spouses by agreement or by a court having juridiction in those matters; or the order may be a final order.
    (h) On application, the court may order that one spouse for a stated period be given exclusive occupancy of the matrimonial home.
    (i) An order under paragraph (g) does not authorize the spouse to materially alter the substance of the matrimonial home unless it is a final order which gives the spouse exclusive sole ownership of the matrimonial home;
    (j) Subject to paragraph (i) a right of a spouse to exclusive occupancy or use ordered under this section shall not conunue? after the rights of the other spouse or of both spouses, as owner or lessee are terminated.
    (k) Where an order for exclusive occupancy or use has been made under this section, the Court, on application, may order that the rights of a spouse to apply for partition and sale or to sell or otherwise dispose of or encumber the property be postponed and be subject to the right of exclusive occupancy or use and may, in its order, vary the order made under this section.
    (l) The Court may, on application, make an order for partition and sale of the interest of the spouses in the matrimonial home. Any such order for sale is subject to the limitations on ownership of the reserve land established from time to time by the band council.
    (m) A band council shall issue a band council resolution entitling a spouse to exclusive occupancy of the matrimonial home upon presentation of a copy of an order under this section or a validity executed marriage or separation agreement.
    (n) A band council shall issue a band council resolution transferring an interest in the matrimonial home to a spouse in accordance with an order under this section or a marriage or separation agreement upon presentation of a copy of the order or a validly executed marriage or separation agreement.
    (o) A band council shall take all necessary steps to facilitate the sale of the spouses' interest or interests in the matrimonial home, and shall issue any band council resolution required to give effect to a sale completed after an order for partition and sale under this section.
    (p) A court may, on application, order that while the spouses continue to live separate and apart, one spouse shall not enter premises while the premises are occupied by the other spouse or a child in the custody of the other spouse, whether or not the spouse against whom the order is made owns or has a right to possession of the premises.''

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Debien (Laval East), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing line 39 on page 11 with the following:

    ``land; and
    (f) the general rules and procedures, in cases of breakdown of marriage, respecting the use, occupation and possession of first nation land and the division of interests in first nation land.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 2 to 5).

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 3 and 4, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-49, An Act providing for the ratification and the bringing into effect of the Framework Agreement on First Nation Land Management, as reported by the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development with an amendment.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Scott (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Konrad (Prince Albert), -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 39 and 40 on page 2 with the following:

    ``ratified and will be brought into effect in accordance with its provisions for any band on the addition of the name of that band to the schedule in accordance with section 45.''

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 320)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Cadman -- Casson -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nunziata -- Penson -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Ramsay -- Ritz -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Strahl -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 35

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 170

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bélair -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Byrne -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Fournier -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grose -- Karygiannis -- Laurin -- Longfield -- Marceau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Mercier -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Perron -- Sekora -- Steckle -- St-Hilaire -- St-Julien -- Wappel

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 6 and 7 were also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 2

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 2 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Debien (Laval East), -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 14 on page 5 with the following:

    ``(d) any other relevant matter set out in section 17(2.1).''

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 321)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anders -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Brien -- Cadman -- Casson -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Cummins -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Lalonde -- Lebel -- Marchand -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nunziata -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Plamondon -- Ramsay -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Strahl -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 55

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Desjarlais -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 150

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bélair -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Byrne -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Fournier -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grose -- Karygiannis -- Laurin -- Longfield -- Marceau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Mercier -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Perron -- Sekora -- Steckle -- St-Hilaire -- St-Julien -- Wappel

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 3 and 4 were also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 5 of Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Ms. Debien (Laval East), -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing line 39 on page 11 with the following:

    ``land; and
    (f) the general rules and procedures, in cases of breakdown of marriage, respecting the use, occupation and possession of first nation land and the division of interests in first nation land.''

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 322)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anders -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Cadman -- Casson -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Cummins -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Lalonde -- Lebel -- Marchand -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- McDonough -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Plamondon -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Ritz -- Rocheleau -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Strahl -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 64

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 141

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bélair -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Byrne -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Fournier -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grose -- Karygiannis -- Laurin -- Longfield -- Marceau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Mercier -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Perron -- Sekora -- Steckle -- St-Hilaire -- St-Julien -- Wappel

Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 323)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proctor -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 170

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Cadman -- Casson -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Mark -- Mayfield -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nunziata -- Penson -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Ramsay -- Ritz -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Strahl -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 35

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bélair -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Byrne -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Fournier -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grose -- Karygiannis -- Laurin -- Longfield -- Marceau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Mercier -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Perron -- Sekora -- Steckle -- St-Hilaire -- St-Julien -- Wappel

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Order made Friday, February 19, 1999, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. Robillard (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), seconded by Mr. Eggleton (Minister of National Defence), -- That Bill C-63, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 324)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bigras -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Crête -- Cullen -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Jacques -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 162

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Anders -- Bailey -- Benoit -- Blaikie -- Cadman -- Casson -- Cummins -- Desjarlais -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Grewal -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Mark -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Mayfield -- McDonough -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nystrom -- Penson -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Ritz -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Solberg -- Strahl -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 42

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alarie -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bélair -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Byrne -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Fournier -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grose -- Karygiannis -- Laurin -- Longfield -- Marceau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- Mercier -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Perron -- Sekora -- Steckle -- St-Hilaire -- St-Julien -- Wappel

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Eggleton (Minister of National Defence) -- Report on the Administration of the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1998, pursuant to the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, R.S. 1985, c. C-17, ss. 57 and 72. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-92A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs)

-- by Mr. Marchi (Minister for International Trade) -- Report of the Northern Pipeline Agency, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1998, pursuant to the Northern Pipeline Act, R. S. 1985, c. N-26, ss. 13 and 14. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-43A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations)

-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Report of the Canadian International Trade Tribunal entitled ``Request for Tariff Relief by Cambridge Industries regarding netting'', dated February 12, 1999, pursuant to the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, S. C. 1988, c. 65, s. 54. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-572R. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:21 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:33 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).