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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 098

Tuesday, September 27, 1994

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment) laid upon the Table, -- Discussion document for consultation purposes entitled ``Towards a Toxic Substances Management Policy for Canada''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8525-351-14.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0551 concerning the Canada Labour Code. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-68.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-0294 and 351-0295 concerning immigration. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-14C.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0477 concerning housing policies. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-11D.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) laid upon the Table, -- Govern ment response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0616 concerning social policies. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-60A.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment) made a statement.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Assadourian (Don Valley North), seconded by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), Bill C-274, An Act respecting a national grandparent's day, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Duhamel (St. Boniface), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-0810);

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-0811);

-- by Mr. McTeague (Ontario), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-0812);

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), one concerning gun control (No. 351-0813);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), two concerning gun control (Nos. 351-0814 and 351-0815).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-27 to Q-30 and Q-51 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food of Bill C-50, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act.

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food, Fisheries and Oceans)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.


The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources of Bill C-48, An Act to establish the Department of Natural Resources and to amend related Acts.

Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

At 3:13 p.m., pursuant to Order made Thursday, September 22, 1994, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), seconded by Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services and Minister for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency), -- That Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Immigration Act and the Citizenship Act and to make a consequential amendment to the Customs Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 83)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Berger -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélisle -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crête -- Culbert -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Highlands -- Canso) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- Maheu -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Sauvageau -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Zed -- 199

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Hanger -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson -- Williams -- 44

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bergeron -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Gerrard -- Graham -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Pillitteri -- Young

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, September 22, 1994, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Plamondon (Richelieu), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac), -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should bring in legislation limiting solely to individuals the right to donate to a federal political party, and restricting such donations to a maximum of $5,000 a year. (Private Members' Business M-150)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Assad (Gatineau -- La Lièvre), seconded by Mr. Bryden (Hamilton -- Wentworth), -- That the motion be amended by replacing the figure ``$5,000'' with the following:

      ``$1''.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 84)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Harvard -- Loney -- 7

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Berger -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Bouchard -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Cohen -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crête -- Culbert -- Cummins -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- Maheu -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Verran -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Williams -- Wood -- Zed -- 206

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bergeron -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Gerrard -- Graham -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Pillitteri -- Young

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion of Mr. Plamondon (Richelieu), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac). (Private Members' Business M-150)

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 85)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bachand -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bethel -- Bodnar -- Bouchard -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Hayes -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jacob -- Knutson -- Lalonde -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- Stinson -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- 85

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Berger -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Bélair -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Cowling -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- Maheu -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rock -- Rompkey -- Schmidt -- Serré -- Skoke -- Speaker -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Williams -- Wood -- Zed -- 138

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bergeron -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Gerrard -- Graham -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Pillitteri -- Young

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), -- That Bill C-48, An Act to establish the Department of Natural Resources and to amend related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

The debate continued.

Mr. Canuel (Matapédia -- Matane), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-48, An Act to establish the Department of Natural Resources and to amend related Acts, given that the principle of the Bill does not provide for empowering the Minister to compensate Quebec financially if it chooses to exercise its exclusive jurisdiction over natural resources itself, pursuant to the Constitution Act, 1867 and the Constitution Act, 1982.''

Debate arose thereon.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:50 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs of Bill C-229, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (registration of political parties).

Mr. Assadourian (Don Valley North), seconded by Mrs. Brushett (Cumberland -- Colchester), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:45 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following paper, deposited with the Clerk of the House, was laid upon the Table:

By Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Reports of the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation required by the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, covering the period ended March 31, 1994, pursuant to subsections 72(2) of the Access to Information Act, Chapter A-1, and the Privacy Act, Chapter P-21, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-351-695. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), one concerning material depicting violence (No. 351-0816);

-- by Mr. Shepherd (Durham), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-0817 and 351-0818);

-- by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph -- Wellington), four concerning the Leader of the Opposition (Nos. 351-0819 to 351-0822);

-- by Mrs. Stewart (Northumberland), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-0823 and 351-0824), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-0825 and 351-0826), one concerning abortion (No. 351-0827) and one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 351-0828).

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:53 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).