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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 1st Session

Journals

No. 038
Wednesday, March 16, 1994
2:00 p.m.

Prayers

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada), laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-0051 to 351-0053 concerning crimes of violence. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-13.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), laid upon the Table, — Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0092 concerning the Canada Post Corporation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-7B.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada), laid upon the Table, — Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0114 concerning the Young Offenders Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-9B.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Ms. Copps (Minister of the Environment) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Boudria (Glengarry–Prescott–Russell) for Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 11th Report of the Committee which was read as follows:

Your Committee recommends the following change in the membership of the Standing Committee:

Transport

Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) for Bakopanos
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 3 which includes this Report) is tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the scheduled division on the motion on the Budget for Tuesday, March 22, 1994, be deferred until Wednesday, March 23, 1994, at the end of the time provided for the consideration of Government Orders.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Massé (President of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada), Bill C–17, An Act to amend certain statutes to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 22, 1994, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))
His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled “An Act to amend certain statutes to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 22, 1994”.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Stinson (Okanagan–Shuswap), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yellowhead), Bill C–225, An Act respecting the transfer of language rights to provincial jurisdiction, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Boudria (Glengarry–Prescott–Russell), seconded by Mr. Duceppe (Laurier–Sainte-Marie), moved, — That the 11th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows;

  • by Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), two concerning housing policies (Nos. 351-0135 and 351-0136);
  • by Mr. Althouse (Mackenzie), one concerning the Senate (No. 351-0137);
  • by Mr. Solomon (Regina–Lumsden), one concerning the Patent Act (drug research) (No. 351-0138);
  • by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan–Shuswap), one concerning sexual assault (No. 351-0139).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Gagnon (Parliamentary Secretary to the Solicitor General of Canada) presented the answer to a question on the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate had passed the following Bill to which the concurrence of this House is desired:

Bill S–2, An Act to implement a convention between Canada and the Republic of Hungary, an agreement between Canada and the Federal Republic of Nigeria, an agreement between Canada and the Republic of Zimbabwe, a convention between Canada and the Argentine Republic and a protocol between Canada and the Kingdom of the Netherlands for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion with respect to income taxes and to make related amendments to other Acts.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Bouchard (Leader of the Opposition), seconded by Mrs. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre), moved, — That this House urge the government to follow up on its election promise to protect and strengthen Canada’s publishing industry by renewing the Baie Comeau policy adopted in 1985 and by declaring that a public investigation will be held into the circumstances surrounding the takeover of Ginn Publishing by Paramount.

Debate arose thereon.

Tabling of Documents

By unanimous consent, Mr. Bouchard (Leader of the Opposition), laid upon the Table, — Copy of a letter concerning Ginn Publishing (English Text). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-351-5.

Government Orders

Debate resumed on the motion of Mr. Bouchard (Leader of the Opposition), seconded by Mrs. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre), in relation to the Business of Supply.

Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), seconded by Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “by renewing the Baie Comeau policy adopted in 1985 and”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:33 p.m., pursuant to Standing Orders 33(2) and 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 13)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Benoit — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Chatters — Cummins — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hart — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Johnston — Manning — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Penson — Ramsay — Ringma — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Speaker — Stinson — Strahl — Thompson — White (Fraser Valley West) — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — 44

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Althouse — Anawak — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Baker — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Berger — Bergeron — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Bouchard — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Bélisle — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Caron — Catterall — Chamberlain — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Crête — Culbert — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — de Jong — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finlay — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier (Ottawa–Vanier) — Gauthier (Roberval) — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Keyes — Kirkby — Knutson — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — Loney — Loubier — MacDonald — MacLaren (Etobicoke North) — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maheu — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLaughlin — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mercier — Mifflin — Milliken — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Ménard — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien — O’Reilly — Ouellet — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Paré — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Péloquin — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Robinson — Rocheleau — Rock — Rompkey — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Skoke — Solomon — Speller — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed — 204

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Allmand — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Cauchon — Finestone — Gerrard — Nunez — Sheridan — de Savoye

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 14)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bouchard — Bélisle — Canuel — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — de Jong — Deshaies — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier (Roberval) — Godin — Guay — Guimond — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Marchand — McLaughlin — Mercier — Ménard — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Péloquin — Robinson — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Solomon — St-Laurent — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — 54

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Adams — Anawak — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Baker — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellemare — Benoit — Berger — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Chamberlain — Chan — Chatters — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cummins — DeVillers — Dingwall — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Finlay — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gauthier (Ottawa–Vanier) — Godfrey — Goodale — Gouk — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hart — Harvard — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Johnston — Jordan — Keyes — Kirkby — Knutson — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — Loney — MacDonald — MacLaren (Etobicoke North) — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maheu — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Manning — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Milliken — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mills (Red Deer) — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien — O’Reilly — Ouellet — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Payne — Penson — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Ramsay — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringma — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Scott (Skeena) — Serré — Shepherd — Silye — Skoke — Solberg — Speller — St. Denis — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Stinson — Strahl — Szabo — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Whelan — White (Fraser Valley West) — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Young — Zed — 191

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Allmand — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Cauchon — Finestone — Gerrard — Nunez — Sheridan — de Savoye


Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 15, 1994, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Parliamentary affairs)), — That a Special Joint Committee of the House of Commons and the Senate be appointed to consider Canada’s foreign policy including international trade and international assistance;

That the document entitled “Guidance Paper for the Special Joint Parliamentary Committee reviewing Canadian Foreign Policy” be referred to the Committee;

That the Committee be directed to consult broadly and to analyze the issues discussed in the above-mentioned document, and to make recommendations in their report concerning the objectives and conduct of Canada’s foreign policy;

That the Committee be composed of fifteen Members of the House of Commons and seven Members of the Senate;

That the Members of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade be appointed on behalf of the House as members of the said Committee;

That the Committee have the power to sit during sittings and adjournments of the House;

That the Committee have the power to report from time to time, to send for persons, papers and records, and to print such papers and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee;

That the Committee have the power to retain the services of expert, professional, technical and clerical staff;

That the Committee have the power to adjourn from place to place inside Canada and abroad and that, when deemed necessary, the required staff accompany the Committee;

That a quorum of the Committee be twelve Members wheneve a vote, resolution or other decision is taken, so long as both Houses are represented and that the Joint Chairpersons be authorized to hold meetings, to receive evidence and authorize the printing thereof, whenever six Members are present, so long as both Houses are represented;

That the Committee be empowered to appoint, from among its Members, such sub-committees as may be deemed advisable, and to delegate to such sub-committees all or any of its power, except the power to report to the Senate and House of Commons;

That the Committee or its representatives meet on occasions it deems fitting with the Special Joint Committee or its representatives charged with reviewing Canada’s defence policy;

That the Committee be empowered to authorize television and radio broadcasting of any or all of its proceedings;

That, notwithstanding the usual practices of this House, if either the Senate or the House are not sitting when an interim report of the Committee is completed, the Committee shall deposit its report with the Clerks of both Houses; and, said report shall thereupon be deemed to have been presented to both Houses;

That the Committee present its final report no later than October 31, 1994; and

That a Message be sent to the Senate requesting that House to unite with this House for the above purpose, and to select, if the Senate deems advisable, Members to act on the proposed Special Joint Committee. (Government Business No. 9)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on the amendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich–Gulf Islands), — That the motion be amended:

  1. by deleting, in paragraph one, the word “Joint” and the words “and the Senate”;
  2. by deleting, in paragraph four, the words “and seven Members of the Senate”;
  3. by deleting, in paragraph five, the words “on behalf of the House”;
  4. in paragraph ten,
    1. by deleting the word “twelve” and substituting the word “eight”;
    2. by deleting the words “so long as both Houses are represented”;
    3. by deleting the words “Joint Chairpersons” and substituting the word “Chairperson”;
    4. by deleting the word “six” and substituting the word “three”;
  5. by deleting, in paragraph eleven, the words “Senate and”;
  6. in paragraph fourteen,
    1. by deleting the words “either the Senate or the House are” and substituting the words “the House is”;
    2. by deleting the words “Clerks of both Houses” and substituting the words “Clerk of the House”;
    3. by deleting the words “both Houses” and substituting the word “the House”; and
  7. by deleting paragraph sixteen.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 15)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Ablonczy — Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Benoit — Bergeron — Bouchard — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Bélisle — Canuel — Caron — Chatters — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — de Jong — Deshaies — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier (Roberval) — Godin — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hart — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Jacob — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Manning — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Mercier — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Ménard — Paré — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Péloquin — Ramsay — Ringma — Robinson — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — St-Laurent — Stinson — Strahl — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — White (Fraser Valley West) — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — 96

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Anawak — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Baker — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellemare — Berger — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Chamberlain — Chan — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — DeVillers — Dingwall — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Finlay — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gauthier (Ottawa–Vanier) — Godfrey — Goodale — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Keyes — Kirkby — Knutson — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — Loney — MacDonald — MacLaren (Etobicoke North) — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maheu — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Milliken — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien — O’Reilly — Ouellet — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Rock — Rompkey — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Skoke — Speller — St. Denis — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stewart (Northumberland) — Szabo — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed — 149

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Allmand — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Cauchon — Finestone — Gerrard — Nunez — Sheridan — de Savoye

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to, on division.

Private Members’ Business

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil–Papineau), moved, — That in the opinion of this House, the government should take the necessary measures to ensure that the Saint Lawrence Seaway remains navigable on a year-round basis, namely through a more effective allocation of the ice breakers in operation in eastern Canada. (Private Members’ Business M–233)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

— ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to inform that House that Parliament Vote 10 of the 1994-95 Estimates has been referred to the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament.

Adjournment

At 7:19 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).