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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 271

Tuesday, December 5, 1995

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

(1) No. 351-4018 concerning the mining industry. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-72L;

(2) No. 351-4023 concerning the tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-56J;

(3) Nos. 351-4029 and 351-4033 concerning the income tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-24Z.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis), moved -- That this House condemn the government for choosing to reform unemployment insurance in a way that maintains overlap and duplication in the manpower sector and thus prevents the government of Quebec from adopting a true manpower development policy of its own.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

ROYAL ASSENT

The Speaker informed the House that the Honourable John Charles Major, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 5th day of December 1995, at 4:55 p.m., for the purpose of giving the Royal Assent to certain bills.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis), in relation to the Business of Supply.

The debate continued.

Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``sector''.

Debate arose thereon.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell), moved, -- That the Members of the Standing Committee on Health be authorized to travel to hold a briefing session on Preventative Strategies for Healthy Children in North Gower, Ontario, on February 8 and 9, 1996. and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


By unanimous consent, Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell), moved, -- That the House, pursuant to Standing Order 119.1(1), authorize the Sub-Committee on HIV/AIDS of the Standing Committee on Health to televise its meetings scheduled for Wednesday, December 6, Wednesday, December 13, and Thursday, December 14, 1995, in accordance with the guidelines pertaining to televising committee proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

NOTICE OF MOTION

Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada) gave notice of intention to move at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 57, that, in relation to the consideration of Government Business No. 26, the debate not be further adjourned.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis), in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville).

The debate continued.

ROYAL ASSENT

A Message was received from the Honourable John Charles Major, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate.

Accordingly, the Speaker, with the House, proceeded to the Senate.

The Commons returned to the Chamber.

Whereupon, the Speaker reported that, when the Commons had been in the Senate, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the following Bills:

    Bill C-93, An Act to amend the Cultural Property Export and Import Act, the Income Tax Act and the Tax Court of Canada Act -- Chapter No. 38;
    Bill C-68. An Act respecting firearms and other weapons -- Chapter No. 39;
    Bill C-61, An Act to establish a system of administrative monetary penalties for the enforcement of the Canada Agricultural Products Act, the Feeds Act, the Fertilizers Act, the Health of Animals Act, the Meat Inspection Act, the Pest Control Products Act, the Plant Protection Act and the Seeds Act -- Chapter No. 40; and
    Bill C-102, An Act to amend the Customs Act and the Customs Tariff and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts -- Chapter No. 41.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Dubé (Lévis), in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 389)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Johnston -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Penson -- Ringma -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson -- Strahl -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 33

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Caron -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Crête -- Daviault -- de Jong -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond-Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacDonald -- Maclaren -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paré -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Sauvageau -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Taylor Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood Young -- Zed -- 190

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Barnes -- Bodnar -- Bouchard -- Canuel -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Fewchuk -- Gallaway -- Hickey -- Knutson -- Langlois -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Ménard -- Phinney -- Pomerleau

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 390)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Brien -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Daviault -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Mercier -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- 42

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Sud-Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Cummins -- de Jong -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacDonald -- Maclaren -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Massé -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest/18Sud-Ouest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robillard -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 181

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Barnes -- Bodnar -- Bouchard -- Canuel -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Fewchuk -- Gallaway -- Hickey -- Knutson -- Langlois -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Ménard -- Phinney -- Pomerleau

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:49 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Malhi (Bramalea -- Gore -- Malton), seconded by Mr. Maloney (Erie), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should amend the Income Tax Act to eliminate the payment of personal income tax on interest from personal savings accounts when the amount of interest is $1,000 or less. (Private Members' Business M-497)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:39 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was, laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Tobin (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) -- Report on the Administration of the Atlantic Fisheries Restructuring Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to subsection 8(1) of the Atlantic Fisheries Restructuring Act, Chapter A-14, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-457B. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently, referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:45 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).