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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 147

Tuesday, February 7, 1995

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1483 to 351-1486 concerning national parks. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-91A.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1714 concerning the Federal Public Service. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-93.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1724, 351-1729 and 351-1730 concerning the mining industry. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-72F.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1700 and 351-1723 concerning gun control. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-16I.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1707, 351-1736 and 351-1737 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-30S.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1712 and 351-1725 concerning the Divorce Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-5M.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-1719 concerning sexual abuse of children. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-65A.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1733 to 351-1735 concerning crimes of violence. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-13E.


Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs) laid upon the Table, -- Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 1st Report of the Special Joint Committee on the Review of Canada's Foreign Policy: ``Canada's Foreign Policy'' (Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-54), presented to the House on Tuesday, November 15, 1994. -- Sessional Paper No. 8512-351-54.


Mr. Ouellet (Minister of the Foreign Affairs) laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``Canada in the World -- Government Statement''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8525-351-24.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs) made a statement.


Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. MacLaren (Minister for International Trade) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 57th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

      The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following changes in the membership of Standing Committees:

-- Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development: DeVillers for Stewart (Brant)

-- Canadian Heritage: McTeague for Gallaway

-- Finance: Brushett for Mitchell

-- Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Alcock for Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier)

-- Government Operations: Bélair for Catterall

-- Human Resources Development: Boudria for Alcock

-- Industry: Mitchell for Berger

-- Natural Resources: Gallaway for Bélair

-- Public Accounts: Brown (Oakville -- Milton) for Knutson

The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following changes in the membership of Standing Joint Committees:

-- Official Languages: Boudria for McTeague

-- Scrutiny of Regulations: Knutson for McTeague

The Committee further recommends that where a Member is appointed as permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to which he was previously appointed Associate Member, that the name of the Member be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 39, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Miss Grey (Beaver River), moved, -- That the 57th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), three concerning gun control (Nos. 351-1802 to 351-1804);

-- by Mr. O'Reilly (Victoria -- Haliburton), one concerning material depicting violence (No. 351-1805);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-1806) and one concerning gun control (No. 351-1807);

-- by Mr. Crête (Kamouraska -- Rivière-du-Loup), one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 351-1808);

-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning sexual assault (No. 351-1809);

-- by Mrs. Cowling (Dauphin -- Swan River), one concerning gun control (No. 351-1810);

-- by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1811 and 351-1812), two concerning gun control (Nos. 351-1813 and 351-1814), two concerning abortion (Nos. 351-1815 and 351-1816), one concerning immigration (No. 351-1817) and four concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1818 to 351-1821);

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1822) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1823);

-- by Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1824 and 351-1825).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-111 and Q-127 on the Order Paper.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order of the House for a Return:

    Q-95 -- Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier) -- What have been the monthly unemployment rates from September 1993 to October 1994 in each of Canada's 295 federal constituencies?

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-351-95.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Immigration Act and the Citizenship Act and to make a consequential amendment to the Customs Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the recorded division was deferred until later today, at 6:00 p.m.


The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Government Operations of Bill C-65, An Act to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies.

Mr. Massé (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister responsible for Public Service Renewal), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister responsible for Public Service Renewal), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-65, An Act to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The debate continued.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Crête (Kamouraska -- Rivière-du- Loup), moved, -- That the Standing Committee on Transport be authorized to travel to Montreal, Quebec City, Mont-Joli, Vancouver, Hamilton, Thunder Bay, St. John's, Charlottetown, Halifax and St. John from February 6 to March 17, 1995, for the purpose of holding hearings in relation to the Committee's consideration of marine policy, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That Government Business Nos. 14, 15, 16 and 18 and Private Members' Business M-218 be withdrawn.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister responsible for Public Service Renewal), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-65, An Act to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The debate continued.

INTERRUPTION

    At 4:56 p.m., by unanimous consent, the sitting was suspended.
    At 5:00 p.m., the sitting resumed.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister responsible for Public Service Renewal), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-65, An Act to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The debate continued.

At 6:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Marchi (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Immigration Act and the Citizenship Act and to make a consequential amendment to the Customs Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 157)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape/CapBreton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Simmons -- Skoke -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 152

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Chatters -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gilmour -- Gouk -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 84

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Canuel -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Dingwall -- McTeague

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Massé (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister responsible for Public Service Renewal), seconded by Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), -- That Bill C-65, An Act to reorganize and dissolve certain federal agencies, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The debate continued.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:50 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Disabled Persons of Bill C-282, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (medical expenses -- disabled senior citizens).

Mr. Simmons (Burin -- St. George's), seconded by Ms. Clancy (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Disabled Persons.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:50 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1826) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-1827);

-- by Mr. O'Reilly (Victoria -- Haliburton), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1828);

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-1829);

-- by Mr. Harvard (Winnipeg St. James), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1830) and one concerning gun control (No. 351-1831).

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:54 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).