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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 108

Tuesday, October 18, 1994

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Rideout (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Natural Resources) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of National Resources) laid upon the Table, -- Report of the Board of Directors of the Lower Churchill Development Corporation, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year ended December 31, 1993. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-526A.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1012);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), two con cerning gun control (Nos. 351-1013 and 351-1014);

-- by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1015).

Presenting Reports from Committees

By unanimous consent, Mr. Berger (Saint-Henri -- Westmount), from the Standing Committee on Industry, presented the 2nd Report of the Committee (Taking Care of Small Business). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-49.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues Nos. 1 to 16, 18 and 25 to 27, which includes this Report) was tabled.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)), -- That Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (sentencing) and other Acts in consequence thereof, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), -- That Bill C-53, An Act to establish the Department of Canadian Heritage and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage;

And of the amendment of Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata), seconded by Mrs. Gagnon (Québec), -- That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``Bill C-53, An Act to establish the Department of Canadian Heritage and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be not now read a second time but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.''

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), -- That Bill C-53, An Act to establish the Department of Canadian Heritage and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage;

And of the amendment of Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata), seconded by Mrs. Gagnon (Québec).

The debate continued.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division at report stage of Bill C-49, An Act to amend the Department of Agriculture Act and to amend or repeal certain other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food without amendment.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Easter (Malpeque), seconded by Mr. Dromisky (Thunder Bay -- Atikokan), -- That Bill C-49, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 19, on page 2, with the following:

    ``before it are replaced by the following:

ANNUAL REPORT WITH ESTIMATES

      6. The minister shall cause to be prepared a report showing the operation of the department for every fiscal year and shall include it with the Estimates for the Department for the second fiscal year following the fiscal year covered by the report, when the Estimates are laid before Parliament.''

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 86)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bryden -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Easter -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Steckle -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 103

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Berger -- Bethel -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bélair -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- English -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) Malhi -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 133

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Adams -- Bachand -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Collenette -- Goodale -- Guay -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Lincoln -- Mercier -- Sauvageau -- Vanclief -- Wells -- 16

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved, -- That Bill C-49, An Act to amend the Department of Agriculture Act and to amend or repeal certain other Acts, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food, Fisheries and Oceans)), -- That Bill C-46, An Act to establish the Department of Industry and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry;

And of the amendment of Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Jacob (Charlesbourg), -- That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    Act to establish the Department of Industry and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, given that the principle of the Bill fails to put an end to duplication and overlap in that it does not recognize Quebec's exclusive jurisdiction over regional economic development.''

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the sub-amendment of Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), seconded by Mr. Schmidt (Okanagan Centre), -- That the amendment be amended

    (a) by striking out the word ``Quebec's'' and substituting the following:
      ``each province's''; and
    (b) by deleting the word ``regional''.

The question was put on the sub-amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 87)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 48

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Berger -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bethel -- Blaikie -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 189

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Adams -- Bachand -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Collenette -- Goodale -- Guay -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Lincoln -- Mercier -- Sauvageau -- Vanclief -- Wells


Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), -- That Bill C-48, An Act to establish the Department of Natural Resources and to amend related Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Canuel (Matapédia -- Matane), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac), -- That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-48, An Act to establish the Department of Natural Resources and to amend related Acts, given that the principle of the Bill does not provide for empowering the Minister to compensate Quebec financially if it chooses to exercise its exclusive jurisdiction over natural resources itself, pursuant to the Constitution Act, 1867 and the Constitution Act, 1982.''

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 88)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Brien -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rocheleau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- 45

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Berger -- Bethel -- Blaikie -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crawford -- Culbert -- de Jong -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) Malhi -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rompkey -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 189

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Adams -- Bachand -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Collenette -- Goodale -- Guay -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Lincoln -- Mercier -- Sauvageau -- Vanclief -- Wells

By unanimous consent, the question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 89)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Berger -- Bethel -- Blaikie -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crawford -- Culbert -- de Jong -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) Malhi -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rompkey -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Scott (Skeena) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Simmons -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 189

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Brien -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rocheleau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- 45

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Adams -- Bachand -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Collenette -- Goodale -- Guay -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Lincoln -- Mercier -- Sauvageau -- Vanclief -- Wells

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), seconded by Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), -- That Bill C-52, An Act to establish the Department of Public Works and Government Services and to amend and repeal certain Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Marchand (Québec-Est), seconded by Mr. Asselin (Charlevoix), -- That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-52, An Act to establish the Department of Public Works and Government Services and to amend and repeal certain Acts, because the principle of the Bill does not provide for a specific code of ethics to be put in place aimed at making transparent the contracting process and the acquisition of all goods and services by the Department of Public Works and Government Services Canada.''

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 90)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Blaikie -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brien -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ramsay -- Riis -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 100

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Berger -- Bethel -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) Malhi -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 138

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Adams -- Bachand -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Collenette -- Goodale -- Guay -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Lincoln -- Mercier -- Sauvageau -- Vanclief -- Wells


Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)), -- That Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (sentencing) and other Acts in consequence thereof, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 91)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Berger -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bethel -- Blaikie -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guimond -- Harb -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLaren (Etobicoke North) -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Paré -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rompkey -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Stewart (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 189

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill (Macleod) -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Scott (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson -- White (Fraser Valley West) -- Williams -- 48

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Adams -- Bachand -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Bouchard -- Collenette -- Goodale -- Guay -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Lincoln -- Mercier -- Sauvageau -- Vanclief -- Wells

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:33 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs of Bill C-251, An Act to provide that Remembrance Day be included as a holiday in public service collective agreements.

Mr. MacDonald (Dartmouth), seconded by Mr. Gallaway (Sarnia -- Lambton), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following papers, deposited with the Clerk of the House, were laid upon the Table:

By Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) -- Public Accounts of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1994, as follows:

(1) Volume I -- Summary Report and Financial Statements;

(2) Volume II, Part I -- Details of Expenditures and Revenues; and

(3) Volume II, Part II -- Additional Information and Analyses, pursuant to subsection 64(1) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter F-11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-214A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts)


By Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Copy of Order in Council P.C. 1994-1428, bringing into force the United Nations Rwanda Regulations, pursuant to subsection 4(1) of the United Nations Act, Chapter U-2, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-592B. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Ms. Bethel (Edmonton East), five concerning immigration (Nos. 351-1016 to 351-1020).

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:33 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).