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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 127
Tuesday, February 11, 1997
10:00 a.m.

Prayers

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. Nos. 352-1361, 352-1367, 352-1371, 352-1373, 352-1390, 352-1395, 352-1417, 352-1424 and 352-1427 concerning taxes on books. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-129E;
  2. No. 352-1370 concerning gun control. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-16C;
  3. No. 352-1400 concerning national unity. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-33J;
  4. Nos. 352-1422 and 352-1426 concerning the Divorce Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-27H;
  5. Nos. 352-1419 and 352-1420 concerning sexual orientation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-45T.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mrs. Wayne (Saint John), two concerning the highway system (Nos. 352-1677 and 352-1678) and one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1679);
  • by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1680).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C–70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts.

Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)(Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), — That Bill C–70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made Monday, February 10, 1997, under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 221)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Anderson — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bernier (Beauce) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Finlay — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harvard — Hopkins — Hubbard — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maloney — Manley — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Speller — Steckle — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wells — Wood — Zed --131

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Canuel — Chatters — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dubé — Dumas — Duncan — Epp — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Guay — Guimond — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hermanson — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Jacob — Jennings — Johnston — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Manning — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McLaughlin — Ménard — Mercier — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Nunez — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Ramsay — Robinson — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) --73

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Assadourian — Barnes — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Duceppe — Fillion — Finestone — Godfrey — Harper (Churchill) — Lalonde — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Robillard — Rocheleau — Venne — Whelan

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Pursuant to Order made Monday, February 10, 1997, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Leroux (Shefford), seconded by Mr. Jacob (Charlesbourg), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should commit itself to having full light shed on the events occurring before, during and after the deployment of Canadian troops to Somalia, by extending the mandate of the Commission of Inquiry until December 31, 1997.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Frazer, seconded by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “inquiry” and by adding the following:

“and directing the Commission to make its final report as soon as possible, but not later than December 31, 1997.”

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 222)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Chatters — Cummins — de Jong — Duncan — Epp — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hermanson — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Jennings — Johnston — Manning — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McLaughlin — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Ramsay — Robinson — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Taylor — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) --31

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Anderson — Arseneault — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Finlay — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harvard — Hopkins — Hubbard — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Langlois — Lastewka — Laurin — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Ménard — Mercier — Mifflin — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Paré — Patry — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Speller — Steckle — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wells — Wood — Zed --173

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Assadourian — Barnes — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Duceppe — Fillion — Finestone — Godfrey — Harper (Churchill) — Lalonde — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Robillard — Rocheleau — Venne — Whelan

Pursuant to Standing Order 86(16), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion of Mr. Leroux (Shefford), seconded by Mr. Jacob (Charlesbourg).

The question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 223)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Brien — Canuel — Chatters — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dubé — Dumas — Duncan — Epp — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Guay — Guimond — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hermanson — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Jacob — Jennings — Johnston — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Manning — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McLaughlin — Ménard — Mercier — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Nunez — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Ramsay — Robinson — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Solomon — Speaker — Strahl — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) --73

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Anderson — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bernier (Beauce) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chan — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Finlay — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harvard — Hopkins — Hubbard — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Karygiannis — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — MacAulay — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Maloney — Manley — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Mifflin — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Patry — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Speller — Steckle — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wells — Wood — Zed --131

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Assadourian — Barnes — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Duceppe — Fillion — Finestone — Godfrey — Harper (Churchill) — Lalonde — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Robillard — Rocheleau — Venne — Whelan

Private Members’ Business

At 5:51 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca), moved, — That the Standing Orders of the House be amended by adding the following:

“97.1.
A standing, special or legislative committee to which a Private Member’s public bill has been referred shall in every case either report the bill to the House with or without amendment or present to the House a report containing a recommendation not to proceed further with the bill and giving the reasons therefor.” (Private Members’ Business M–267)

Debate arose thereon.

Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata), seconded by Mr. Paré (Louis-Hébert), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “in every case” the following:

“, within six months from the date of the bill’s reference to the committee,”.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

  • by Mr. Keyes (Hamilton West), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1681) and one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1682).

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion

At 6:50 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Adjournment

At 6:57 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).