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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 7
Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:07 a.m. to 2:04 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Hon. Jim Carr, Chair (Liberal)

• Todd Doherty for Raquel Dancho (Conservative)
• Larry Maguire for Raquel Dancho (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Lyne Casavant, Analyst
• Chloé Forget, Analyst
Service de police de l’agglomération de Longueuil
• Fady Dagher, Director
Sûreté du Québec
• Benoît Dubé, Chief Inspector, Director Criminal Investigation
Vancouver Police Department
• S/Sgt Michael Rowe
As an individual
• Solomon Friedman, Criminal Defence Lawyer
• Michael Spratt, Criminal and Appeal Lawyer, Abergel Goldstein & Partners LLP
Statistics Canada
• Jeff Latimer, Director General, Health, Justice, Diversity and Populations
• Lucie Léonard, Director, Canadian Centre for Justice and Community Safety Statistics
Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, December 7, 2021, the committee resumed its study of gun control, illegal arms trafficking and the increase in gun crimes committed by members of street gangs.

Fady Dagher, Benoît Dubé and Michael Rowe made statements and answered questions.

At 12:04 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:14 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Solomon Friedman, Michael Spratt and Jeff Latimer made statements and answered questions.

Motion

Taleeb Noormohamed moved, — That pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of the rise of Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremism (IMVE) in Canada; that this study include an investigation into the influence of foreign and domestic actors in funding and supporting violent extremist ideologies in Canada; that the study include the use of social media to fuel the IMVE movement; that the committee explore the impact of anonymous and foreign donations funding IMVE, including through crowdfunding sites; that the committee invite representatives from GiveSendGo to appear; that the committee further look at the role of payment processors in preventing the funding of IMVE and invite representatives from PayPal and Stripe to appear; that evidence and documentation received by the committee from upcoming appearances of representatives of GoFundMe and Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada be included in this study; that this study include Canada’s national security organizations and police involved in monitoring, countering and responding to IMVE threats; that the committee report its findings to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

Motion

Dane Lloyd moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dane Lloyd, Larry Maguire, Doug Shipley, Tako Van Popta — 4;

NAYS: Paul Chiang, Pam Damoff, Alistair MacGregor, Ron McKinnon, Kristina Michaud, Taleeb Noormohamed, Sameer Zuberi — 7.

Amendment

Dane Lloyd moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “GiveSendGo” the following: “that the committee invite Vivian Krause as an expert on how American money is sourced and transferred into Canada to fund political influencers”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Dane Lloyd and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dane Lloyd, Larry Maguire, Doug Shipley, Tako Van Popta — 4;

NAYS: Paul Chiang, Pam Damoff, Alistair MacGregor, Ron McKinnon, Kristina Michaud, Taleeb Noormohamed, Sameer Zuberi — 7.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Paul Chiang, Pam Damoff, Dane Lloyd, Alistair MacGregor, Larry Maguire, Ron McKinnon, Kristina Michaud, Taleeb Noormohamed, Doug Shipley, Tako Van Popta, Sameer Zuberi — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

At 1:10 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:14 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada
• Barry MacKillop, Deputy Director, Intelligence
• Annette Ryan, Deputy Director, Partnership, Policy and Analysis
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, February 3, 2022, the committee commenced its study of crowdfunding platforms and extremism financing.

Barry MacKillop made a statement and, with Annette Ryan, answered questions.

At 2:04 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Wassim Bouanani
Clerk of the Committee