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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 7
Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 4:01 p.m. to 7:19 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Rachael Harder, Chair (Conservative)

Library of Parliament
• Alexandra Savoie, Analyst
• Maxime-Olivier Thibodeau, Analyst
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion moved by Michael Barrett on Friday, July 17, 2020, which read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(3)(h), the Committee review the safeguards which are in place to avoid and prevent conflicts of interest in federal government procurement, contracting, granting, contribution and other expenditure policies; and that, to provide a case study for this review, an Order of the Committee do issue to Speakers’ Spotlight for a copy of all records pertaining to speaking appearances arranged, since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, Margaret Trudeau and Alexandre Trudeau—including, in respect of each speaking appearance, an indication of the fee provided, any expenses that were reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity booking it—provided that these records shall be provided to the Clerk of Committee within one week of the adoption of this Order.

Debate resumed on the amendment moved by Charlie Angus on Friday, July 17, 2020, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by adding after the words “one week of the adoption of this Order” the following:

and that the Clerk provide these records to the Ethics Commissioner for his study; and that, this committee calls upon Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to appear to give testimony relating to these matters

Subamendment

Damien C. Kurek moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “that the Clerk provide these records to the” the following: “members of the Committee and the”.

At 4:23 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:25 p.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Élisabeth Brière, Greg Fergus, Marie-France Lalonde, Brenda Shanahan, Adam Vaughan — 5;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Matthew Green, Damien Kurek — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the subamendment was agreed to.

At 5:32 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:56 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

"And that the Clerk provide these records to the members of the committee and the Ethics Commissioner for study, and that this committee call upon Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to appear to give testimony relating to these matters".

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau gave notice of the following motion:

In view of the admissions of the Minister of Finance to having obtained remuneration from ‘WE Charity’ and to having placed himself in a conflict of interest, the committee requests his immediate resignation.

Subamendment

Brenda Shanahan moved, — that the amendment be amended by adding after the words “the Ethics Commissioner for study” the following: and that, any examination by this committee of the documents referred to be done in camera;.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Brenda Shanahan and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Élisabeth Brière, Greg Fergus, Matthew Green, Marie-France Lalonde, Brenda Shanahan, Adam Vaughan — 6;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Damien Kurek — 4.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

That the motion be amended by adding after the words “one week of the adoption of this Order” the following:

And that the Clerk provide these records to the members of the committee and the Ethics Commissioner for study; and that, any examination by this committee of the documents referred to be done in camera; and that this committee call upon Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to appear to give testimony relating to these matters.

The question was put on the amendment of Matthew Green and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Élisabeth Brière, Greg Fergus, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Matthew Green, Damien Kurek, Marie-France Lalonde, Brenda Shanahan, Adam Vaughan — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

At 6:56 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:59 p.m., the sitting resumed.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of the proposed motion as amended.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled that the proposed motion as amended was admissible as it fell within the mandate of the committee.

Debate resumed on the motion of Michael Barrett as amended which read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(3)(h), the Committee review the safeguards which are in place to avoid and prevent conflicts of interest in federal government procurement, contracting, granting, contribution and other expenditure policies; and that, to provide a case study for this review, an Order of the Committee do issue to Speakers’ Spotlight for a copy of all records pertaining to speaking appearances arranged, since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, Margaret Trudeau and Alexandre Trudeau—including, in respect of each speaking appearance, an indication of the fee provided, any expenses that were reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity booking it—provided that these records shall be provided to the Clerk of Committee within one week of the adoption of this Order; and that the Clerk provide these records to the members of the committee and the Ethics Commissioner for study; and that, any examination by this committee of the documents referred to be done in camera; and that this committee call upon Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to appear to give testimony relating to these matters.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Matthew Green, Damien Kurek — 5;

NAYS: Élisabeth Brière, Greg Fergus, Marie-France Lalonde, Brenda Shanahan, Adam Vaughan — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the motion was agreed to.

At 6:45 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:52 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Motion

Damien C. Kurek moved, — That the chair be instructed to write a letter to each Member of Cabinet requiring they disclose whether they had knowledge of relationships between the individuals and WE, ME to WE Corporation, WE Charity, WE Education for Children Limited, WE Villages, WE Schools, the ME to WE Foundation, the WE Charity Foundation, ME to WE Asset Holdings Inc., ME to WE Property Management Inc., ME to WE Style Inc. or any other entity created by Marc Kielburger, Craig Kielburger, or both of them, prior to the Cabinet’s decision to award the administration of the Canada Student Service’s Grant to the WE Charity:

a) Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau, Margaret Trudeau, Alexandre Trudeau, Grace Acan, Clare Morneau, Katie Telford or Seamus O’Regan;

Additionally, the letter should require that all Members of Cabinet disclose whether they, their families or their relatives have connections to WE, ME to WE Corporation, WE Charity, WE Education for Children Limited, WE Villages, WE Schools, the ME to WE Foundation, the WE Charity Foundation, ME to WE Asset Holdings Inc., ME to WE Property Management Inc., ME to WE Style Inc. or any other entity created by Marc Kielburger, Craig Kielburger, or both of them;

That a response be ordered within a week of the receipt of this letter but no later than two weeks after the adoption of this motion.

Debate arose thereon.

On motion of Matthew Green, it was agreed, — That the committee do now adjourn.

At 7:19 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Miriam Burke
Clerk of the Committee