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Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen of the committee, I am pleased to be asked to testify before the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development.
For a number of years, I have worked in many countries around the world providing technical assistance to parliamentary committees of emerging democracies. Today I do not intend to renounce the work I have done overseas for many years. I was selected as president of Rights and Democracy following a public call for applications at the end of an open and transparent selection process. I believe I have the necessary experience to hold this position.
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I worked for 19 years in international development, including more than seven years for the National Democratic Institute. NDI is, of course, an American institution led by former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. It has a mandate similar to the mandate of Rights and Democracy, with a budget of more than $100 million; I would say it's $120 million. I occupied senior positions in North Africa and in Haiti. Overall I have worked in 14 countries for NDI, including seven where Rights and Democracy has programs.
[Translation]
I was also Quebec's delegate general to Mexico and Brussels. I know the machinery of government and international diplomacy. I am trilingual, a lawyer by training, and I know the law.
My work in the field has also been a humanly enriching life experience. I have experienced the oppressive surveillance of security services in certain African countries by contacting journalists and dissidents courageously exercising their freedom of expression. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, I prepared party leaders and organized a public debate with them on the future of their country in an area that had been devastated by civil war.
In Baghdad, I witnessed a terrorist act when a hotel exploded before my eyes. I was there to provide assistance in designing the structure of the Iraqi parliament.
On January 12 of this year, I was in Port-au-Prince during the earthquake. I subsequently delayed taking up my position at Rights and Democracy in order to return to Haiti for a number of weeks. I had a moral obligation to go and put in place an aid program for our employees and to redirect our programs, particularly to support the civil society associations supporting women who had been abused in the camps for earthquake victims.
I have been in my position for a number of days now, and I have already met with certain employees and the union. I have also started to meet with employees one by one.
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I am convinced that they have the best interests of the organization at heart. I personally witnessed the professionalism of their work on the ground when I was with NDI, whether it was in Morocco, Mauritania, or Haiti. My conversations with the staff have demonstrated to me that Rights and Democracy has developed some innovative niches of expertise, for example in supporting independent media and citizen journalism in Burma, Zimbabwe, and Egypt.
I have also met many members of the board of directors, who play an essential role in setting the policy direction of their organization and in the oversight of Rights and Democracy. I am convinced that they are dedicated to the mandate of Rights and Democracy.
[Translation]
I have not yet completed my due diligence work. I have been there for barely 15 days. I would nevertheless like to give you some personal reflections on my vision and some of the principles that should frame our actions.
Rights and Democracy belongs to a class of federal institutions called shared governance corporations. The centre is an agency that is publicly accountable for its activities to Parliament and the government and that, at the same time, enjoys considerable independence from the federal government in conducting its activities and carrying out its mission under its constituent act. It is not an NGO.
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The enabling legislation for the centre obliges the board of directors to have knowledge of Canadian foreign policy. The activities of the centre must conform to the major principles of Canadian foreign policy and the objectives of our program of aid and development. That was the declaration of the minister at the time when he tabled Bill C-147. Program activities and funding of the centre must not come into contradiction with Canadian foreign policy, no matter which party is in power. Foreign policy is the prerogative of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Prime Minister; the programs of Rights and Democracy are the prerogative of Rights and Democracy. Its programs should give effect to the rights and freedoms enshrined in the International Bill of Rights.
[Translation]
As is clearly stated in its constituent act, the centre's mission is to initiate, encourage and support cooperation between Canada and other countries in the promotion, development and strengthening of democratic and human rights institutions and programs that give effect to the rights and freedoms enshrined in the International Bill of Human Rights. The act states that the major object of the centre is to help reduce the wide gap that sometimes exists between the formal adherence of states to international human rights agreements and the actual human rights practices of those states. My experience has shown me that it is, in particular, through programs in the field, designed to address identified problems in a strategic manner that development assistance can be most effective.
The international community, in particular through the Paris Declaration on Aid Effectiveness and the Accra Agenda for Action have made aid effectiveness and evaluation of the aid results a priority objective. It is also a priority for CIDA. In short, decisions on the centre's programs, activities and grants must aim to achieve measurable results, in accordance with best practices, for the improvement of democratic practices and human rights in selected countries.
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Allow me to repeat that in English to give it the clarity and emphasis it deserves. Going forward, all decisions on programs, activities, and funding must be based on measurable results reflecting best practices for improving democratic principles of human rights in respective countries.
[Translation]
I also believe that Rights and Democracy's programming must respect the balance between democratic development and human rights. However, democratic development and human rights are intimately connected. The strengthening of democratic institutions is an essential factor in improving the human rights practices of states. Greater emphasis will have to be placed on the development and reinforcement of institutions and democratic processes.
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The mission of the centre is extensive. The strategic plan of 2010-2015, approved by the board and developed by the staff through a consultative process, is very ambitious. However, the resources of the centre are limited. We will need to diversify our funding in order to achieve a growth of our financial means. Our core funding from the Government of Canada is $9.2 million. The funding per project, such as those in Afghanistan and Haiti, is around $3 million per year. This year our growth should mainly come from developing more projects, not through core funding. Rights and Democracy is also a charitable organization. Last year we raised only $17,000 from private sources. We can, and we must, do better.
[Translation]
I must admit I have taken up my position at a time when the organization is going through a major governance problem. Under the Parliament of Canada Act, your act, the board of directors must set direction and orientations. The employees and I, as president, must work to implement programming consistent with that direction. That must be clear for everyone.
I am also aware that the management of resources and labour relations is a major challenge. This issue is moreover central to the dispute. Rights and Democracy cannot achieve its objectives and effectively implement its five-year plan unless coherence is restored to the institution and the working atmosphere is improved. I will need positive cooperation from everybody in order to achieve that.
The priority must be to restore coherence in this organization. We can very well wonder how long taxpayers will agree to pay for an organization that is tearing itself apart in public, here in Canada, whereas it should be focusing its efforts on promoting democratic values around the world.
That said, what is done is done. I'm not going to rewrite history. We must now, all of us together, turn the page and build a better future. I am convinced this is possible, if we all focus on the promotion and defence of the universal values that are central to Rights and Democracy's mandate, values that are shared by all Canadians and historically by all our governments, regardless of political party.
Thank you very much. I am prepared to answer all your questions.
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As a first thing, my priority is to bring cohesion within the organization and with the board.
I have already started to talk and meet with, one by one, every employee of this organization. I want to understand their needs. I want to have them as allies. The employees are the organization. They are important for this organization, and they will help me bring cohesion.
I also have met most of the members of the board, and I think I can work with the members of the board, based on the following principles. First, we need transparency, transparency from my part and transparency from the other part. I think communication is important, not communication only when there are meetings of the board, but communication on a constant basis.
I think there is one way, when there is unity in this organization, a unity with the staff and the board, and it's that the staff has developed a strategic plan for 2010-2015. The strategic plan has also been approved by the board. This is a base upon which I will build the future of this organization.
Thank you to our guest for appearing.
Mr. Latulippe, I understand that you've only been at the helm for a little while. But in that time, I understand from your previous answers that you've had some time to look at the affairs, financially, of the institute. I've been asking questions of the board members. One was Mr. Gauthier, who was the acting president prior to your taking over.
We're still waiting from Mr. Gauthier--I believe, Chair, we haven't received it yet--the contracts that he tendered and entered into with legal firms, communication firms, private investigative firms, and the auditing firm.
I'm wondering if you could share information with this committee. I'll start with legal bills. Do you have any idea, at this point, the sum of the legal bills that Mr. Gauthier entered into?
Thank you, Mr. Latulippe, for appearing before us.
I would echo what my colleagues have said; you have certainly stepped into a tempest. But I really believe you have the qualifications to straighten this out and to once again restore what we've come to expect.
Had you been here last Tuesday and watched the proceedings, it got pretty hot. I think it's probably safe to say that both witnesses were pretty steamed, especially toward the end.
It was interesting; as we listened and tried to uncover this, there was a theme that seemed to keep coming up, over and over. I think really hit the nail on the head when he said this is all about Israel. Mr. Allmand replied--the time was up, but it's on the blues--and he said yes. I thought how unfortunate; we had the opportunity....
I sense that you're very passionate about exporting our values and democracy. I'm the same way. Probably most people here feel the same way. When we get the opportunity, for instance, to visit another country, especially those countries that are struggling democracies, we make every effort to encourage them.
I had that opportunity in February. I went to Turkey. Looking at a country like Turkey, what a golden opportunity we have to take a stable democracy that's still fledgling and has some issues and to influence that region where we have seen so much turmoil. I'm puzzled when I see that opportunity missed.
I wonder, sir, do you share that? Do you have any ideas or possible plans for that region and maybe working to possibly solve some of those problems we have been struggling with for generations?
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Thank you very much for your continuing testimony.
I would like to bring up the elephant in the room that nobody ever wants to talk about, and that's Israel. From the response that I had from the former presidents at the meeting on Tuesday, as Mr. Van Kesteren mentioned, it seemed to me they were of the opinion, I am of the opinion, that this whole issue seems to focus around the attitude that the Government of Canada has toward the only democracy in that region. I would like to give you an opportunity to just express....
You know, I'm taking a look at your CV. I see Jordan, I see Libya, I see Iraq, I see Egypt--all countries that you don't exactly have warm fuzzies about or send Christmas cards to. Well, of course, you wouldn't send a Christmas card to Israel, but you understand what I'm saying; they're not really on this....
Help us to understand where you would be coming from on that very vexatious, complex issue.
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I can tell you something: I'm not here to interpret or to discuss Canadian foreign policy; I'm here in fact to develop support for human rights and democracy. I am not here to change an organization in an ideological way. Nobody from the government, nobody from the board, has even asked me anything in terms of changing this organization ideologically.
You know, we are working across the world, and at this point we don't really have any programs in Israel or in Gaza. We don't have any programs in this region. We are working across the world. In fact, I see the vision of Rights and Democracy not in terms of the conflicts of Israel and Palestine, but I see it as an opportunity to develop Canadian values across the world.
Let me tell you something. I've been working for a U.S. organization. In fact, it's the NGO of the Democratic Party. Everywhere that I've been, people have asked me, “Are you a Canadian?” It was opening doors for me. Because I was a Canadian, I had access to a level of leadership to which others did not have access, and people were asking me why I wasn't working for Canada. There are a lot of people within the NDI who are in the same situation. Your friend Les Campbell is in the same situation.
In fact, that's an opportunity for us to develop that across the world. The world believes in our values. We should all be on the same page, because we can make this a leader across the world. We should all work together. Help me to give Rights and Democracy a bright future and to promote Canadian values across the world. Please help me do that.
Thank you, Mr. Latulippe, for appearing before us today. I appreciate it.
You mentioned earlier that the board did not speak to you about your ideology, and I'd suggest to you that sometimes the direction from which a person is coming indicates the direction in which they're going and maybe there was no need for them to ask you about your ideology.
But having said that, you did talk about moving forward. Certainly, when one is moving forward, you sometimes have to disavow certain actions that pre-existed your entry to the organization.
One of those actions was a gag order that was issued by Aurel Braun, the chairman of Rights and Democracy. I'd ask you if you're aware of that gag order. It is a matter of public record. It was discussed in a Canadian Press article of March 30.
Do you condone that action, an issuing of a gag order by a board member to staff?
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Five, please. Thank you, Chair.
Mr. Latulippe, I want to go back to the money. Maybe it's my Scottish roots. I've calculated, so far, from what you have told me, that it is $381,000; we know that this bill is essentially for the work of Monsieur Gauthier and that it was directed, I think, through Mr. Braun. I guess what I'd like from you is that when you get those contracts, you give them to this committee, because we haven't been able to get them from the people who entered into them. I understand that none of these contracts were tendered, which I find astonishing. You know, how did BLG get their contract without competition?
I wish you to report to this committee, for obvious reasons, not only how much was paid out but how these contracts were entered into and tendered. I would appreciate that information, as soon as you get it, along with the amount of the honorariums paid, because I still find it disturbing.
I'll be frank, I don't care what other boards do. I want to know why this board was paying one of its board members money to advise that interim president. I would like to know, at the end of the day, what the amount of money was--you said $3,200, I think--and what other honorariums there were.
I'm just asking; if you could provide that, that would be great.
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At the end of the day, I can say this: Mr. Latulippe, we have a problem. We have a board that went and fired three of its managers. According to most people we talked to, these were people who had been dedicated to this institute. You've told us that you have confidence in the people you talked to at the institute. You believe in their dedication. We have a chair and a former acting president who went off on a spending binge to go after people, in my opinion, hiring PR firms, hiring private investigation firms, hiring law firms, hiring whomever they could find, it seems. That's no way to run an institute with transparency. I have to say that this has got to stop.
Not only that--I'll come to a question here--you've noted the exemplary work the institute has done in Afghanistan. But here's the problem, Mr. Latulippe: the woman who heads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission was on the board of Rights and Democracy. As you know, she quit. Why? It was because of meddling. So you have a problem. We have a problem.
In my opinion--you might wish to respond to this--the solution to this problem is that we need a new board. If you're going to actually be successful, and you believe in--I trust what you say--the people who work for the institute....
I don't have any confidence in the board. I have no confidence that this chasm between the two, after the spending that's been engaged in, after the trust that has been broken, after a woman who we depend on, who has the Order of Canada.... You know that, right, that Ms. Samar has the Order of Canada, along with Nelson Mandela? She quit the board because of meddling, because of these board members.
I believe the solution, if you're going to be successful, is to replace the board.
As you know, as the Minister of Foreign Affairs has stated and as you have stated, we really don't have an issue if the committee wants to study this. I don't mean “study”; I mean we can do a report and put forward recommendations. I don't think it's going to be an issue. This was a question we asked well before we started the hearing. At that time, it was stated that we didn't want to, but if the committee so desired, we could do it.
The question I have will be very blunt. I do not agree with Mr. Dewar that it's going to be one meeting for the report. I can tell you that. I know Mr. Dewar and I've worked with him for many years. He tends to bring in things that will automatically extend everything, because he will of course have his NDP agenda.
We don't have a problem, but I think we should discuss the issue of how many days of hearings we're going to have. My recommendation is that we have four days for the hearings. If we finish early, that's fine. If we don't finish early, then we may need more time.
But I can tell you here that if you think we're going to do this report with a rubber stamp, that's not going to be...a problem. However, there is no difficulty on our part to write a report and send forward recommendations.