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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Meeting No. 42

Thursday, June 16, 2005

The Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills Development, Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities met in camera at 11:45 a.m. this day, in Room 705 La Promenade Building, the Chair, Raymonde Folco, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Barry Devolin, Raymonde Folco, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Tony Martin, Yasmin Ratansi and Peter Van Loan.

Acting Members present: Yvon Godin for Tony Martin.

In attendance: Library of Parliament: Kevin Kerr, Analyst ; Chantal Collin, Analyst.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Wednesday, April 13, 2005, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-280, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act (Employment Insurance Account and premium rate setting) and another Act in consequence.

Peter Adams moved, — That, based on the Speaker's ruling, the Committee do not proceed with Bill C-280 .

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 6.

Clause 1 carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 6; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Paul Forseth, Yasmin Ratansi — 5.

On Clause 2,

Peter Van Loan moved, — That Bill C-280, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 4 the following:

“(1.1) Amounts referred to in paragraph 72(1)(a) shall be paid annually in equal amounts over a period of ten years.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Peter Van Loan and it was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

Clause 2, as amended, carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

Clause 3 carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

Clause 4 carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

On Clause 5,

Yves Lessard moved, — That Bill C-280, in Clause 5, be amended by replacing lines 21 to 25 on page 6 with the following:

“4 commissioners, as follows:

(a) a Chairperson;

(b) a Vice-Chairperson;

(d) a person representing employers.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Yves Lessard and it was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

Clause 5, as amended, carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

On Clause 6,

Yves Lessard moved, — That Bill C-280, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 2 on page 7 with the following:

“ Vice-Chairperson from among the Deputy”

The question was put on the amendment of Yves Lessard and it was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

Yves Lessard moved, — That Bill C-280, in Clause 6, be amended by deleting lines 11 to 14 on page 7.

Clause 6, as amended, carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

On motion of Yves Lessard, it was agreed, — That Bill C-280 be amended by adding after line 17 on page 7 the following new clause:

“7. If Bill C-23, introduced in the 1st Session of the 38th Parliament and entitled the Department of Human Resources and Skills Development Act (the “other Act”), receives royal assent, then, on the later of the coming into force of the other Act and the coming into force of this Act,

(a) subsections 20(1) and (2) of the other Act are replaced by the following:

20. (1) There is hereby established a Commission to be known as the Canada Employment Insurance Commission.

(2) The Commission shall be composed of 4 commissioners, as follows:

(a) a Chairperson;

(b) a Vice-Chairperson;

(d) a person representing employers.

(b) the other Act is amended by adding the following after section 21:

21.1 (1) The Governor in Council shall appoint the commissioners who will represent employees and employers from a list of nominees provided by associations representing employers and employees in Canada.

(2) The Governor in Council appoints the Vice-Chairperson from among the Deputy Ministers or the Associate Deputy Ministers of the Department of Human Resources and Skills Development.

21.2 (1) The Chairperson shall be appointed by the House of Commons on the recommendation of the Minister following consultation of the commissioners representing employees and employers.

(2) The Chairperson shall not vote, but shall cast a deciding vote in case of an equal division.”

The question was put on the amendment of Yves Lessard, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

The Title carried on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

The question: "Shall the Bill , as amended, carry?" was put and was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

The Bill , as amended, carried.

The question: "Shall the Chair report the Bill , as amended, to the House?" was put and was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Barry Devolin, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Yvon Godin, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Peter Van Loan — 7; NAYS: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Yasmin Ratansi — 4.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill ,as amended, to the House.

On motion of Peter Adams, it was agreed, — That the Committee consider a report containing dissenting opinion on Bill C-280, An Act to amend the Employement Insurance Act (Employment Insurance Account and premium rate setting) and another Act in consequence.

At 1:19 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Danielle Bélisle
Clerk of the Committee

2005/06/17 1:30 p.m.