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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 115

Thursday, June 4, 1998

10:00 a.m.



The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Whereupon, Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to subsection 43(1) of the Parliament of Canada Act.

PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

The Deputy Speaker laid upon the table, -- Report of the Information Commissioner for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1998, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1, s. 38. -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-361-625A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 361-0804, 361-0853, 361-0854 and 361-0874 concerning the income tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-10K;

-- No. 361-0833 concerning the Canada Pension Plan. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-5P;

-- No. 361-0834 concerning the tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-6K;

-- No. 361-0851 concerning aboriginal affairs. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-4H;

-- No. 361-0868 concerning conscientious objection. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-70 ;

-- No. 361-0882 concerning taxes on books. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-3L.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Dhaliwal (Minister of National Revenue), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), Bill C-43, An Act to establish the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency and to amend and repeal other Acts as a consequence, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2
))

His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled "An Act to establish the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency and to amend and repeal other Acts as a consequence".

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mr. Bellemare (Carleton -- Gloucester), Bill C-418, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (mandatory counseling for certain assaults), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

Mr. Laliberte (Churchill River), seconded by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), moved, -- That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development, presented on Monday, May 25, 1998, be concurred in.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Mahoney (Mississauga West), moved, -- That the House do now proceed to Orders of the Day.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 190)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bertrand -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Boudria -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pratt -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 131

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Anders -- Axworthy --  (Saskatoon -- Rosetown -- Biggar) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Cadman -- Casey -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Desjarlais -- Dockrill -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hardy -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Jones -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lunn -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mancini -- Marceau -- Mark -- Matthews -- Mayfield -- McDonough -- McNally -- Ménard -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Muise -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Proctor -- Ramsay -- Reynolds -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- Stoffer -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Vautour -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 92

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Asselin -- Brien -- Crête -- Guay -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kraft Sloan -- Marchand -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- O'Reilly -- Pillitteri -- Venne

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights without amendment;

And of Motion No. 1.

Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier -- Montcalm), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), -- That Bill C-37 be amended by deleting Clause 5.

The debate continued.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That, if a recorded division is requested at the conclusion of any debate on any government legislation during Government Orders this day, it shall be deferred to Tuesday, June 9, 1998, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights without amendment;

And of Motion No. 1.

The debate continued.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Obhrai (Calgary East), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-37, in Clause 6, be amended by adding after line 34 on page 3 the following:

      "(6.1) A report that is tabled in each House of Parliament under subsection (6), shall, on the day it is tabled or if the House is not sitting on that day, on the day that House next sits, be referred by that House to a committee of that House that is designated or established by that House for the purpose of considering matters relating to justice.
      (6.2) A committee referred to in subsection (6.1) may conduct inquiries or public hearings in respect of a report referred to it under that subsection, and if it does so, the committee shall, not later than ninety sitting days after the report is referred to it, report its findings to the House that designated or established the committee.
      (6.3) For the purpose of subsection (6.2), "sitting day" means a day on which the House of Commons or the Senate, as the case may be, sits."

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights without amendment;

And of Motion No. 2.

The debate continued.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8) the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as reported by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights without amendment.

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded divisions were further deferred until Tuesday, June 9, 1998, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), -- That Bill C-26, An Act to amend the Canada Grain Act and the Agriculture and Agri-Food Administrative Monetary Penalties Act and to repeal the Grain Futures Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Accordingly, the Bill was read a third time and passed.


The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-3, An Act respecting DNA identification and to make consequential amendments to the Criminal Code and other Acts.

Mr. Dhaliwal (Minister of National Revenue) for Mr. Scott (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough), moved, -- That this House order that Ernst Zundel be denied admittance to the precincts of the House of Commons during the present Session.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scott (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)), -- That Bill C-3, An Act respecting DNA identification and to make consequential amendments to the Criminal Code and other Acts, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Cadman (Surrey North), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word «That» and substituting the following:

      "Bill C-3, An Act respecting DNA identification and to make consequential amendments to the Criminal Code and other Acts, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 17, in order to ensure that the taking of DNA samples at time of charge be subject to review".

Debate arose thereon.

QUORUM

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After seven minutes, a quorum was found.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Scott (Solicitor General of Canada), seconded by Ms. Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and Youth)), -- That Bill C-3, An Act respecting DNA identification and to make consequential amendments to the Criminal Code and other Acts be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Cadman (Surrey North).

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded division was deferred until Tuesday, June 9, 1998, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

INTERRUPTION

At 4:57 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:02 p.m., the sitting resumed.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:04 p.m., by unanimous consent, the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans of Bill C-302, An Act to establish the rights of fishers including the right to be involved in the process of fisheries stock assessment, fish conservation, setting of fishing quotas, fishing licensing and the public right to fish and establish the right of fishers to be informed of decisions affecting fishing as a livelihood in advance and the right to compensation if other rights are abrogated unfairly.

Mr. Thompson (Charlotte), seconded by Mr. Muise (West Nova), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) -- Summaries of Corporate Plan for the period 1998-99 to 2002-03 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1998-99 of the National Capital Commission, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-361-821A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) -- Summaries of the Corporate Plan for the period 1998-99 to 2002-03 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1998-99 of the Canadian Museum of Nature, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-361-856A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) -- Summaries of the Corporate Plan for the period 1998-99 to 2002-03 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1998-99 of the National Museum of Science and Technology Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-361-857A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) -- Summaries of the Corporate Plan for the period 1998-99 to 2002-03 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1998-99 of the Canadian Museum of Civilization Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4. -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-361-858A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

-- by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) -- Summaries of the Corporate Plan and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for the period 1998-99 to 2002-03 of the National Gallery of Canada and its affiliate the Canadian Museum of Contemporary Photography, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). -- Sessional Paper No. 8562-361-859A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:04 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:22 p.m., the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).