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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 89

Wednesday, October 23, 1996

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) Nos. 352-0891 and 352-0905 to 352-0910 concerning the parole system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-29D.

WAYS AND MEANS

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) laid upon the Table, -- Notice of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 8) -- Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-8.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 39th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

      The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:

Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Telegdi

Justice and Legal Affairs

Whelan

      A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 40th Report of the Committee (Bill C-270, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act (session of Parliament), with an amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-42.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), seconded by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), Bill C-340, An Act to amend the Marriage (Prohibited Degrees) Act and the Interpretation Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West), moved, -- That the 39th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West), moved, -- That, pursuant to its mandate in relation to the Comprehensive Review of the Young Offenders Act (Phase II), and specifically to observe how the youth justice system operates in practice, the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs (six Members: four from the Liberal Party, including the Chair, one from the Bloc québécois and one from the Reform Party) be authorized to travel to Alberta, British Columbia and Whitehorse from Sunday, October 27, to Friday, November 1, 1996, in order to hold public hearings, visit sites (young offender facilities and programmes) and meet with officials, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West), moved, -- That in relation to its study of circumpolar cooperation, seven members of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade (five from the Liberal Party, one from the Bloc québécois and one from the Reform Party) be authorized to travel to Cambridge, England; Oslo and Tromso, Norway; Stockholm, Sweden; and Copenhagen, Denmark; and that seven members of the Committee (four from the Liberal Party, two from the Bloc québécois and one from the Reform Party) be authorized to travel to Moscow, Murmansk and St. Petersburg, Russia; and Helsinki, Finland, during the period of November 2-9, 1996, in order to meet with, among others, parliamentarians, government officials and indigenous peoples, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Regan (Halifax West), one concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (No. 352-1141) and two concerning impaired driving (Nos. 352-1142 and 352-1143);

-- by Mrs. Sheridan (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), two concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (Nos. 352-1144 and 352-1145);

-- by Mr. Harper (Simcoe Centre), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 352-1146), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1147), one concerning the sexual exploitation of minors (No. 352-1148) and one concerning the coat of arms of Canada (No. 352-1149);

-- by Mr. Bevilacqua (York North), one concerning government spending (No. 352-1150) and one concerning the economy and employment (No. 352-1151);

-- by Mrs. Kraft Sloan (York -- Simcoe), two concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (Nos. 352-1152 and 352-1153);

-- by Mr. Volpe (Eglinton -- Lawrence), one concerning corporal punishment (No. 352-1154);

-- by Ms. Augustine (Etobicoke -- Lakeshore), two concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (Nos. 352-1155 and 352-1156);

-- by Mr. Harvard (Winnipeg St. James), one concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (No. 352-1157);

-- by Mr. Lincoln (Lachine -- Lac-Saint-Louis), two concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (Nos. 352-1158 and 352-1159);

-- by Mr. McTeague (Ontario), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 352-1160);

-- by Mr. Murphy (Annapolis Valley -- Hants), one concerning national unity (No. 352-1161);

-- by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), two concerning the protection of wild animals and plants (Nos. 352-1162 and 352-1163);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning impaired driving (No. 352-1164), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1165) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-1166).

BOARD OF INTERNAL ECONOMY

The Speaker informed the House that, pursuant to the Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act, Chapter 42 (1st Supp.), Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985, Mr. Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) has been appointed a member of the Board of Internal Economy to replace Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-73 on the Order Paper.

NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF PAPERS

The Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers P-6 was called pursuant to Standing Order 97(1) and was transferred by the Clerk to the Order of "Notices of Motions (Papers)".

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Health of Bill C-47, An Act respecting human reproductive technologies and commercial transactions relating to human reproduction.

Ms. Marleau (Minister of Public Works and Government Services) for Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Health), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food, Fisheries and Oceans)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

Debate arose thereon.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That Bill C-5, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, the Companies' Creditors Arrangement Act and the Income Tax Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 142)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Adams -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chan -- Chatters -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Copps -- Cowling -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Harvard -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nunziata -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Proud -- Ramsay -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Ringma -- Robichaud -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Skoke -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thompson -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wayne -- Wells -- Whelan -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 147

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Venne -- 43

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Caron -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- English -- Guay -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Lefebvre -- McGuire -- Mercier -- Pillitteri -- Pomerleau -- Rocheleau

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Marchi (Minister of the Environment), seconded by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), -- That Bill C-29, An Act to regulate interprovincial trade in and the importation for commercial purposes of certain manganese-based substances, be now read a third time and do pass.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Fillion (Chicoutimi), seconded by Mr. Deshaies (Abitibi), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following

    "Bill C-29, An Act to regulate interprovincial trade in and the importation for commercial purposes of certain manganese-based substances, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development for the purpose of reconsidering the Bill in its entirety."

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 143)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guimond -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hermanson -- Hoeppner -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Mayfield -- Ménard -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- Paré -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Thompson -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay --  (Rosemont) -- Venne -- Wayne -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- Williams -- 66

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellemare -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Copps -- Cowling -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper --  (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Sheridan -- Skoke -- Solomon -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- 122

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Asselin -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Caron -- Comuzzi -- Cullen -- English -- Guay -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Lefebvre -- McGuire -- Mercier -- Pillitteri -- Pomerleau -- Rocheleau

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

Pursuant to Standing Order 94, the Speaker ordered, -- That Private Member's motion M-1, standing in the order of precedence on the Order Paper in the name of Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell), be withdrawn.

At 6:05 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich -- Gulf Islands), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, all proposed peacekeeping or peace enforcement commitments involving more than 100 Canadian personnel should be put to a free vote in the House for approval or rejection. (Private Members' Business M-31)

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue), seconded by Mr. Leroux (Shefford), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``all'' and substituting the following:

    ``projects of military commitments abroad involving Canadian troops must, as soon as possible, be the subject of a vote in the House in order to recommend their approval or rejection to the government.''

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mrs. Sheridan (Saskatoon -- Humboldt), one concerning the appointment of justices (No. 352-1167).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:05 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:25 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).