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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 178

Tuesday, March 28, 1995

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2105, 351-2110, 351-2155, 3251-2156, 351-2162, 351-2171 and 351-2194 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-30Z.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2101, 351-2107, 351-2109, 351-2112, 351-2115, 351-2116, 351-2126, 351-2128, 351-2153, 351-2154, 351-2163, 351-2174, 351-2184, 351-2195 and 351-2227 concerning euthanasia. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-50Q.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2192 and 351-2223 concerning the definition of family. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-98C.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2121 concerning the highway system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-106.

Mr. Gray (Solicitor General of Canada) laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``Canadian Security Intelligence Service -- Public Report 1994 and Program Outlook''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8525-351-7A.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Gray (Solicitor General of Canada) made a statement.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), two concerning gun control (Nos. 351-2719 and 351-2720);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), one concerning gun control (No. 351-2721);

-- by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-2722);

-- by Mr. Gilmour (Comox -- Alberni), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2723), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 351-2724) and one concerning the automation of lighthouses (No. 351-2725);

-- by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), one concerning Canada's railways (No. 351-2726);

-- by Mr. Vanclief (Prince Edward -- Hastings), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2727);

-- by Mr. Jordan (Leeds -- Grenville), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-2728 and 351-2729);

-- by Mr. Arseneault (Restigouche -- Chaleur), one concerning abortion (No. 351-2730);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-2731), two concerning abortion (Nos. 351-2732 and 351-2733), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-2734) and one concerning hormone use in livestock (No. 351-2735).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-68, An Act respecting firearms and other weapons, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs;

And of the amendment of Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-68, An Act respecting firearms and other weapons, because the principle of establishing a system for licensing and registration of all firearms and the principle of creating a variety of offenses are two unrelated issues that should be addressed separately.''

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

TABLING OF DOCUMENTS

Mr. Young (Minister of Transport) laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``Terminal 1/Terminal 2 Privatization''. (English text). -- Sessional Paper No. 8530-351-33.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-68, An Act respecting firearms and other weapons, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs;

And of the amendment of Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster).

The debate continued.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-69, An Act to provide for the establishment of electoral boundaries commissions and the readjustment of electoral boundaries, as reported by the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), seconded by Mr. Hill (Macleod), -- That Bill C-69, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing line 17, page 2, with the following:

    ``electoral districts in the province varies by 15''.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 185)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Epp -- Frazer -- Gilmour -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Manning -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Penson -- Ringma -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Strahl -- Williams -- 38

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caron -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Crête -- Culbert -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godfrey -- Godin -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Lincoln -- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mercier -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Ménard -- Nault -- Nunez -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Paré -- Patry -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Picard (Drummond) -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Speller -- St-Laurent -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Venne -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wayne -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 183

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Finlay -- Gaffney -- Grose -- Harvard -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Sauvageau

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 2, 3, 5 and 7 were also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 2

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 4 of Mr. Langlois (Bellechasse), seconded by Mr. Crête (Kamouraska -- Rivière-du-Loup), -- That Bill C-69, in Clause 16, be amended by replacing lines 41 to 44, page 8, with the following:

    ``Constitution Act, 1867 and, notwithstanding the foregoing, when by application of this subsection the number of members to be assigned to the Province of Quebec is less than 25 per cent of the total number of members in the House of Commons, the Chief Electoral Officer shall assign at least 25 per cent of the total number of members to the Province of Quebec.
    (2.1) The Chief Electoral Officer shall cause a notice to be published in the Canada Gazette forthwith setting out the results thereof.''

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 186)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Mercier -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- 48

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Alcock -- Althouse -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Frazer -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Godfrey -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grubel -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hickey -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- The Sydneys) -- Manning -- Marleau -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLaughlin -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Ringma -- Rock -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Taylor -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wayne -- Wells -- Whelan -- Williams -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 174

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Finlay -- Gaffney -- Grose -- Harvard -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Sauvageau

Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, -- That Bill C-69, An Act to provide for the establishment of electoral boundaries commissions and the readjustment of electoral boundaries, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 187)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Anawak -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bernier (Beauce) -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- LeBlanc (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacLellan (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunziata -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Patry -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Rock -- Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 132

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chatters -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Cummins -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion -- Frazer -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Ringma -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay (Rosemont) -- Venne -- Wayne -- Williams -- 90

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bachand -- Bellemare -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Finlay -- Gaffney -- Grose -- Harvard -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Sauvageau

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Order made Friday, March 24, 1995, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), -- That Bill C-73, An Act to provide borrowing authority for the fiscal year beginning on April 1, 1995, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 132, NAYS: 90. (See list under Division No. 187)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:12 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Similkameen -- Merritt), seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), -- That Bill C-263, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act and other Acts in consequence thereof (exempted Crown corporations), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts.

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:14 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following papers, deposited with the Clerk of the House, were laid upon the Table:

-- by Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board) -- Report on the Administration of the Public Service Superannuation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1994, pursuant to section 46 of the Public Service Superannuation Act, Chapter P-36, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-220A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)

-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Reports of the Bank of Canada for the period ended December 31, 1994, pursuant to subsections 72(2) of the Access to Information Act, Chapter A-1, and the Privacy Act, Chapter P-21, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8561-351-684C. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mr. MacAulay (Cardigan), concerning abortion (No. 351-2736).

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:26 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).